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the leafs are publically traded


therefore they have a legal obligation to maximize profit


the question is does spending on players maximize profit?


If I owned a team I would want my team to be a pretender not a contender as a pretender is cheaper and fills the seats and gets some playoff dough and you need a likeable fighter like Domi and a couple of likable stars like Sittler

it is all about business



IE the Yankees need to win to maximize profit because of their huge TV contracts so they do


The Jays need to win to fill the stadium so they do


The leafs fill stadium even if they lose
 
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But the year Burke got fired was their playoff appearance. He had made them a much stronger team (should uv beaten Boston) but was not around to continue. He may have got them there but no way to prove it either way. Nonis did what he did in Vancouver, take a playoff team and then make them worse and worse.
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Sorry but that's not quite right Eddie. Birke came in and overestimated the talent he had. Even though they fluked into the playoffs in the strike shortened 2013, they weren't good enough to get there with a full season. By trading for Kessel and dumping Stralman, Birke set the team back by a decade. Among the prospective draft picks he gave away are John Gibson and Tyler Toffoli. Birke did the damage, Nonis put a bandage on them.

As for prognostications on the future of the franchise, it all depends on the Shanahan regime getting undermined. We've seen that song and dance too many times. :blue:
 
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Insidious Von said:
Richard Peddie is like Keanu Reeves - immortal. And he's actually younger than Lou Lamariello.

I couldn't care less if they Leafs make the playoffs in the next three years as long as they keep building their talent pool. Right now were thin on defense and goalies.

I forgot about the Detroit Lions.
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AS long as Peddie doesn't interfere with Shanny's plans. I think the Leafs are on the right path.
 
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Yoga Face said:
the leafs are publically traded


therefore they have a legal obligation to maximize profit


the question is does spending on players maximize profit?


If I owned a team I would want my team to be a pretender not a contender as a pretender is cheaper and fills the seats and gets some playoff dough and you need a likeable fighter like Domi and a couple of likable stars like Sittler

it is all about business



IE the Yankees need to win to maximize profit because of their huge TV contracts so they do


The Jays need to win to fill the stadium so they do


The leafs fill stadium even if they lose
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Not a really good comparison. The Yankees and Blue Jays play in a league with no salary cap. The Leafs play in a league with a hard cap, and have been for the most part willing to play to the cap. They have also taken advantage of the cap rules a few years back when they fashioned themselves as playoff contenders (burying contracts in the minors to clear cap space, the Clarkson/Horton trade). This meant they spent more than the cap.

The Yanks can spend, spend, and spend more. An NHL team really can't do that, and it is hard to lineup premium free agents once you are already a good team due to the cap.
 
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maurice93 said:
Not a really good comparison. The Yankees and Blue Jays play in a league with no salary cap. The Leafs play in a league with a hard cap, and have been for the most part willing to play to the cap. They have also taken advantage of the cap rules a few years back when they fashioned themselves as playoff contenders (burying contracts in the minors to clear cap space, the Clarkson/Horton trade). This meant they spent more than the cap.

The Yanks can spend, spend, and spend more. An NHL team really can't do that, and it is hard to lineup premium free agents once you are already a good team due to the cap.
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Plus the Yankess charge $3k to sit behind home plate.
 
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glamphotographer said:
AS long as Peddie doesn't interfere with Shanny's plans. I think the Leafs are on the right path.
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In terms of bringing the highest returns to TTPF, Peddie was successful. The Teachers own property around the ACC and still have a substantial stake in Real Sports Bar. The way he got rid of Dryden, Quinn and Grunwald was pure Machiavelli. Nothing stuck to him, when the franchises tanked JFJ and Rob Babcock got the blame - even though he had the final say.
 
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It has only been 50 years since the Leafs last sipped from Lord Stanley's mug. Hell, they have not even reached the finals since 1967...

Last year they finished dead last in the NHL. Numerous hockey minds have tried to bring the franchise to the final two, but all have failed for numerous reasons.

With the Golden Knights entering the league, who will either reach the finals or win the cup first - The Leafs or the Golden Knights?

I would like to see the Leafs end their drought, but for some reason they always manage to fuck up a re-build.

I am taking the Knights.
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I did not think it would be this fast...

Unbelievable accomplishment none the less.
 
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Keep in mind, this is not the first time that an expansion team has had playoff success or even the first time that an expansion team has reached the Finals. Winning the Cup would, however, be a first.
 
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Keep in mind, this is not the first time that an expansion team has had playoff success or even the first time that an expansion team has reached the Finals. Winning the Cup would, however, be a first.
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In 1968 the Blues reached the finals, however a first year team was guaranteed to reach the finals as all the new expansion teams were put into one conference and the original six were in the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Stanley_Cup_playoffs

In that inaugural season, all expansion teams had losing records. only the Red Wings had a losing record of the six original teams.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967–68_NHL_season

I cannot recall any other expansion team making it to the finals...

I would argue that had the conferences been a mix of new and old teams, no first year expansion team would have reached the finals and probably not even the semi-finals.
 
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Ref said:
In 1968 the Blues reached the finals, however a first year team was guaranteed to reach the finals as all the new expansion teams were put into one conference and the original six were in the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Stanley_Cup_playoffs

In that inaugural season, all expansion teams had losing records. only the Red Wings had a losing record of the six original teams.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967–68_NHL_season

I cannot recall any other expansion team making it to the finals...

I would argue that had the conferences been a mix of new and old teams, no first year expansion team would have reached the finals and probably not even the semi-finals.
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Of course, everything you say is correct and I will not try to counter any of it.

I will, however, stand by the factual integrity of my silly post, even though it actually proved nothing about a previous expansion team accomplishing anything close to what the VGK are doing. It is unprecedented in hockey and in maybe any professional league that has been in existence for even 20 years. It might be the story of the year in all of sports for getting to cup and should be the story of the year if they win.
 
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glamphotographer said:
Oh but the title says "Who wins the cup first......" but ok I get it.
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Titles can be deceiving and limited but Ref clearly states the following in his first post and clarifies the title plus makes a correct prediction...

Ref said:
With the Golden Knights entering the league, who will either reach the finals or win the cup first - The Leafs or the Golden Knights?

I am taking the Knights.
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