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Why does the usa govenment borrow from the fed ?

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While it is called the The Federal Reserve, it is owned by unknown corporations. The fed is a private company that creates money then loans it to the US government then charges interest on it

Does our government borrow from private banks ?


WTF is going on here? The banks can make up money without causing inflation but if the governments makes up money it causes inflation :confused: so they are forced to borrow from private banks? How does that work?
 
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The US government does not borrow from the Fed. The Fed is only in charge of buying and selling, but the issuance itself is authorized by the government itself through the Bureau of Fiscal Service, a division of the US Treasury.
 

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Does the government 'print' money when it buys back bonds, thereby increasing money supply which in turn has an inflationary effect?
 

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The US government does not borrow from the Fed. The Fed is only in charge of buying and selling, but the issuance itself is authorized by the government itself through the Bureau of Fiscal Service, a division of the US Treasury.



So this vid is wrong?





I suspect this vid is just another uneducated conspiracy theory



The Federal Reserve System was designed to prevent bank runs, and act as a lender of last resort when a bank run does occur. It gets its money from the U.S. Treasury which keeps a checking account with the Federal Reserve, as part of this service relationship, the Fed sells and redeems U.S. government securities such as savings bonds and Treasury bills. It also issues the nation's coin and paper currency and sets interest rates to best serve the economy

Here is where the vid lies as it does not mention that

The U.S. Government receives all of the system's annual profits, after a statutory dividend of 6% on member banks' capital investment is paid, and an account surplus is maintained. In 2010, the Federal Reserve made a profit of $82 billion and transferred $79 billion to the U.S. Treasury so the government gets the interest paid out back


The Federal Reserve is the national bank so it is poorly named

Canada has the Bank of Canada which is owned by the Minister of Finance


The role of the bank is to "promote the economic and financial well-being of Canada." The responsibilities of the bank are: monetary policy; sole issuing authority of Canadian banknotes; the promotion of a safe, sound financial system within Canada; and funds management and central banking services "for the federal government, the Bank and other clients."

It can print money and buy the government's debt. The Bank of Canada is the sole authority authorized to issue currency in the form of bank notes in Canada. The bank does not issue coins; they are issued by the Royal Canadian Mint.


It sets interest rates like the Fed does.


It is important to distinguish between the right to "issue money," which is the right of the Bank of Canada, and the ability to "create credit," which is done by commercial banks through the issuance of loans.

If "money" is thought of as the combination of issued money and bank-created credit, then presently, the Bank of Canada "issues" less than 5% of Canada's money, with the remainder being "created" by commercial banks through the process of fractional-reserve banking.


The Bank has a zero book value policy on its balance sheet—matching total assets to total liabilities—and transfers any equity above this amount as a dividend to the Government of Canada.

It is important to note, the balance sheet policy employed by the Bank of Canada is that this base money is not permanent, as for each created dollar of credit there is a matching liability created on the Bank of Canada's balance sheet—and is a zero sum once the debt is paid off. True money is only issued as reserve currency for commercial bank lending by the government. Also called high-powered money, this money can then be multiplied by a factor outside of government control through bank lending.

I am unsure why the banks need government money lended to them as they can just make up credit
Can anyone explain this? Is it because the banks need a reserve fund that increases as more money is lent ?

I presume the banks can buy government bonds, like anyone else in the world can do, but prefers not to because of the low rates but the government does not borrow money from the banks by setting up an account, as far as I know

Banks creating monies, through credit, has a limited affect on inflation because this money is paid back, AM I correct on this point
 
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Does the government 'print' money when it buys back bonds, thereby increasing money supply which in turn has an inflationary effect?
if they were going to they would have printed it in the first place

it is a way for the government to get money without increasing taxes or causing the inflation associated with creating money and a lot of the money stays in the country so it just a transfer of wealth within the country so the country stays just as rich, I think

while the bond rates are low, it is considering the safest of all investments and tons of money is made in the trading of bonds because if rates go down your bond becomes more valuable

bond traders can get rich very quickly
 

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The problem becomes when the US government tries to withdraw from their bond buying... The US government is currently the biggest purchaser of US treasuries.... yes I shook my head as well....

There will be hell to pay when all those bids do dry up.

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The problem becomes when the US government tries to withdraw from their bond buying... The US government is currently the biggest purchaser of US treasuries.... yes I shook my head as well....

There will be hell to pay when all those bids do dry up.

Goodguy

explain please

The US government buys their own bonds ?


For what purpose ?


Do you mean they are forced to buy back bonds that have matured and paying for them by selling new bonds ?

I do not see inflation in the USA so the treasury is not just printing monies
 

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Yes. The US Government or more precisely the Federal Reserve buys their own bonds. It's called " monetization ". In order to fund the everyday workings of the Government such as infrastructure, Social Security, Obama Care etc... the Government raises money thru the Bond market at a monthly Treasury auction. Because the US Dollar is currently the World's Reserve currency, countries have to pay in US Dollars for things like OIL in the open market. They use US Treasuries to do that. It's a constant state of rinse, wash, repeat. The problem comes when you don't have enough countries buying your Treasuries ( it actually debt but Trasuries makes you think your actually getting something ) so you have to buy them yourself. This is monetization. Another way to look at it is you go for a walk with your dog in January and it's -30 degrees. During the walk your dog gets sick and throws up. You continue the walk and about an hour later you've circled back to where your dog has puked. It's frozen but he eats it anyways. And you call it food.

That is Bond monetization and yes it will ultimately lead to massive inflation. But it takes time. Eventually all those Treasuries come back to the original creator of the Bond and the US Treasury will puke. This puke is and will be inflation. But it will happen in other Countries first. If you look around you will see the World is up-chucking. Soon we will all have the dry heaves.

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if they were going to they would have printed it in the first place

it is a way for the government to get money without increasing taxes or causing the inflation associated with creating money and a lot of the money stays in the country so it just a transfer of wealth within the country so the country stays just as rich, I think

while the bond rates are low, it is considering the safest of all investments and tons of money is made in the trading of bonds because if rates go down your bond becomes more valuable

bond traders can get rich very quickly

Right. Thanks for the economics refresher in posts #4 and #5. However, have they ever printed more money to recall debt?

Bond traders can make money in any market I suppose, but government bonds aren't such a good investment nowadays.
 

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Right. Thanks for the economics refresher in posts #4 and #5. However, have they ever printed more money to recall debt?

Bond traders can make money in any market I suppose, but government bonds aren't such a good investment nowadays.
when rates are low bonds are not a good deal but bonds that were bought previously at a higher rate become more valuable

a popular use for them are retirement funds but when rates are so low it is better to invest in conservative stocks, I think, I have never studies economics

printing money to pay debt would create inflation and destroy the economy reducing government taxes and countries would no longer buy their bonds for, after all, buying bonds is like any vegas game, when the odds are against you smart gamblers take their loses and leave

there is small incentive to print monies as the party that does it will be voted out

better to start a war perhaps, unsure of the economics of war, some say it creates jobs and that this is good but I find it hard to believe that destroying things is good for the economy
 

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Yes. The US Government or more precisely the Federal Reserve buys their own bonds. It's called " monetization ". In order to fund the everyday workings of the Government such as infrastructure, Social Security, Obama Care etc... the Government raises money thru the Bond market at a monthly Treasury auction. Because the US Dollar is currently the World's Reserve currency, countries have to pay in US Dollars for things like OIL in the open market. They use US Treasuries to do that. It's a constant state of rinse, wash, repeat. The problem comes when you don't have enough countries buying your Treasuries ( it actually debt but Trasuries makes you think your actually getting something ) so you have to buy them yourself. This is monetization. Another way to look at it is you go for a walk with your dog in January and it's -30 degrees. During the walk your dog gets sick and throws up. You continue the walk and about an hour later you've circled back to where your dog has puked. It's frozen but he eats it anyways. And you call it food.

That is Bond monetization and yes it will ultimately lead to massive inflation. But it takes time. Eventually all those Treasuries come back to the original creator of the Bond and the US Treasury will puke. This puke is and will be inflation. But it will happen in other Countries first. If you look around you will see the World is up-chucking. Soon we will all have the dry heaves.

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Everything in capitalism was predicted by Marx including great wealth

He just felt the unequal distribution of this wealth will cause the system to collapse upon itself

Everything he predicted has come true included serious collapses but we have yet to have the greatest collapse which will produce a world wide revolt as the desperate workers fight the one recent of the population that has 90 percent of the wealth creating a true workers state, not the elitist rule of Russia, Cuba etc
 

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Ordinarily, an increase in reserve balances in the banking system would push down current and expected future levels of short-term interest rates; such an action would serve to boost the economy and variables like bank lending and the money supply. If maintained for too long, a relatively high level of reserve balances and a low level of short-term interest rates could lead to the buildup of inflation pressures. However, with short-term interest rates already near zero, an increase in reserve balances by itself cannot push short-term interest rates much lower. As a result, the current elevated level of reserve balances has not generated an increase in inflation pressures. However, the Federal Reserve monitors inflation and inflation expectations carefully and is prepared to take appropriate actions to adjust policy so as to foster its dual mandate.

I think we are in uncharted waters and the financial collapse proves economics makes a poor science even today

The sad fact is no one knows WTF IS GOING TO HAPPEN

Alan Greespan says the economic policy of the Fed only modesty improves the economics of the country over doing nothing at all
 

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Everything in capitalism was predicted by Marx including great wealth

He just felt the unequal distribution of this wealth will cause the system to collapse upon itself

Everything he predicted has come true included serious collapses but we have yet to have the greatest collapse which will produce a world wide revolt as the desperate workers fight the one recent of the population that has 90 percent of the wealth creating a true workers state, not the elitist rule of Russia, Cuba etc
Very true. Anybody that has not read Marx is uninformed about economics.
 

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Right. Thanks for the economics refresher in posts #4 and #5. However, have they ever printed more money to recall debt?

Bond traders can make money in any market I suppose, but government bonds aren't such a good investment nowadays.
Germany printed money pre ww2 and inflation was absurd

this causes speculation that tomorrows prices will be higher so no one sells so higher process becomes a self fulfilling prophecy as buyers offer more

in deflation its is the opposite as no one wants to buy today because prices will be lower tomorrow

deflation is the worse of the two evils


bond prices are so low now no one wants them but they are still the safest of all investments as the country would have to go bankrupt for the bonds to fail
 

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Very true. Anybody that has not read Marx is uninformed about economics.
Marx was brilliant and said it was only after world wide financial collapse and workers take over could a true socialist state exist

he would of disapproved of Russia , Cuba etc and their elite leaders


time will tell if he is correct but one cannot not ignore his insight as everything he predicted about capitalism has come true IE great wealth, great technology, world wide domination as corporations are forced to increase earnings, increasing disparity in income between the classes, recessions, depressions, war, class tensions, oppression of religion .... it is all there in Das Kapital
 

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bond prices are so low now no one wants them but they are still the safest of all investments as the country would have to go bankrupt for the bonds to fail
The only problem is that the bond "paper" can be paid with other "paper", i.e. a country (US, EU) can print as many $$, Euros as necessary to pay the interest and the principal of the bonds.
 

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The only problem is that the bond "paper" can be paid with other "paper", i.e. a country (US, EU) can print as many $$, Euros as necessary to pay the interest and the principal of the bonds.
in such a case all investments lose value equally
 

danmand

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in such a case all investments lose value equally
Not all. agricultural land, long living production equipment, and of course Gold may not lose value (although the feds have managed to cap the gold price for a while).
 
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