Questions About Massage Parlors

It's legal to go to them. If sex is commonly sold there, the operators are running a 'bawdyhouse', which is criminal, and you can be charged (criminally) for being a 'found-in'. Best Search for 'legalities' and 'bawdyhouse' for the extensive discussions of the many and significant fine points. The risk is real; but how big a risk is up to you.

TO is one City, 'Sauga's another, as are Vaughan and Markham, and they all have different licensing bylaws that specify what services can be advertised and sold at what licensed establishments. Toronto licenses bodyrubs, Peel licenses adult entertainment parlours. Thus the different price lists. Any place with a sign and a website's gonna quickly learn they better get a license—not available for brothels—which they can stretch to include their business. Bylaw Inspectors 'raid' too, but they can't really do anything to patrons except be rude. As for what the terms mean, Google will tell you more that the fairly self-explanatory definitions, as will Search here. As will as any Attendant in the room you've paid for.

As to that, you're buying the use of the room from the MP or spa, and you pay in advance. The massage services, from Basic to fully-upgraded are usually paid directly to the MPA of your choice and negociated in the privacy of the room. In Peel Region, where the Bylaw allows specific services, like a body-to-body sliding massage to be listed and performed, that may be done at the desk. In Toronto, where the bylaw still requires both parties be clothed, it will be done privately. Exactly how any one of those services is done, is what we review individual girls about. It's her talent, skill and inventiveness, and some things a gentlemen, even a TERBarbarian does not reveal. We call those 'standard MP limits'.

Sex for money, is well outside those limits: See 'bawdyhouse, Criminal Code of Canada[/i
]. You can buy sex, and she can sell it and no one breaks any laws until they do it in one place more than once. So use an outcall agency, and have her come to you, or an incall where they (and you) have decided to take that risk. At an MP—Muse being in Toronto—you'll be buying time and privacy from the spa, and whatever upgraded services she and you agree on once you're in the room, and it will not be in their interest to have sex involved.

One more note: The room fee can be 'stretched' to include a Basic massage at no extra cost, which will be grudgingly performed by an Attendant who makes little or no money giving it; she's just earning her right to be on the roster. Do not expect a happy Happy Ending (often abbreviated to HJ) unless you make it clear there will be a tip. However upgraded massage fees mostly go to her, and the joy she feels almost certainly will extend to ensuring you too are happy at the end.

Muse owners had a booth at the Sex Show and they told me that hand jobs are legal inToronto

Steeles Royal Massage, Muse, Airport Golden, just to name a few are all licensed 'body rub' parlours.

This I believe is essentially a license to play with dicks;

"Body Rub includes the kneading, manipulating, rubbing, massaging, touching, or stimulating, by any means, of a persons body or part thereof but does not include medical or therapeutic treatment.”1

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4tees said:

I don't think it's "legal", as defined by the Criminal Code. I just think that due to a few Court Decisions that have ruled against Found-In or Bawdy House charges being laid solely on the proof of masturbation, enforcement of the laws is somewhat lax in Toronto. However, that does not mean that you won't be arrested in Toronto, or that you won't go to trial as a result.

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As 4tees says, this is a legal gray area and any MP owner who says different is not telling the truth. The cops can come busting in and lay bawdy house charges if they feel there are grounds to do so, letting the courts sort things out.

4tees said:

I don't think it's "legal", as defined by the Criminal Code. I just think that due to a few Court Decisions that have ruled against Found-In or Bawdy House charges being laid solely on the proof of masturbation, enforcement of the laws is somewhat lax in Toronto. However, that does not mean that you won't be arrested in Toronto, or that you won't go to trial as a result.

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The last major court case was the old HFH one of 3 or so years ago where the judge pretty much said that you could rub the "whole body" and threw out all the charges. The cop even testified that he got handjobs. I think after that all they are looking for is underage and possibly drugs. That sets a precedent but does not rewrite the criminal code so I guess LE can always try it again. If arrested I would try the Layton defense.

dirkd101 said:

As 4tees says, this is a legal gray area and any MP owner who says different is not telling the truth. The cops can come busting in and lay bawdy house charges if they feel there are grounds to do so, letting the courts sort things out.

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That's why it's better to frequent GAY bath houses and massage parlours.

The cops will NEVER EVER EVER in a million years of Sundays come busting through that door. There's no fun in that.

james t kirk said:

That's why it's better to frequent GAY bath houses and massage parlours.

The cops will NEVER EVER EVER in a million years of Sundays come busting through that door. There's no fun in that.

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Are you speaking from experience??

Well, a hand job is a hand job. Just close your eyes....

Just pointing out that that the cops LOVE going undercover in female strip joints and massage parlours to keep us all safe from the evil vices and sins of the flesh, but they aren't so keen to go undercover on the other team's turf.

I say that for every undercover hetero sex industry establishment that the cops go under cover in - they should have to do the same time and numbers in a homo establishment.

"Bob, you're going undercover at Roomates, here's $200, go in there and do some policin"

[see Bob jump up and down with glee]

"Ted, you're going undercover at Remingtons, we hear they do this "jerk off mondays" thing where patrons stand at the front of the stage and the male strippers ejaculate on them, here's $200 for you"

[see Ted call up his union rep]

james t kirk said:

Well, a hand job is a hand job. Just close your eyes....

Just pointing out that that the cops LOVE going undercover in female strip joints and massage parlours to keep us all safe from the evil vices and sins of the flesh, but they aren't so keen to go undercover on the other team's turf.

I say that for every undercover hetero sex industry establishment that the cops go under cover in - they should have to do the same time and numbers in a homo establishment.

"Bob, you're going undercover at Roomates, here's $200, go in there and do some policin"

[see Bob jump up and down with glee]

"Ted, you're going undercover at Remingtons, we hear they do this "jerk off mondays" thing where patrons stand at the front of the stage and the male strippers ejaculate on them, here's $200 for you"

[see Ted call up his union rep]

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Hillarious.

When they do go undercover, it seems like it takes them several months to 'investigate'. :Eek:

fanofdo said:

Hillarious.

When they do go undercover, it seems like it takes them several months to 'investigate'.

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And that might be why there is a serious budget problem!

The fees you see listed are for the room only (called doorfees). If you pay $40/60/80, you get the room and a girl to massage you. As someone else said, don't count on a happy ending. You'll have the option of paying for specific services once in the room (some spas in Brampton have all-in prices, which are paid to the receptionist; but this is not allowed in Toronto).

Your options are (and typical cost for a 30 minute session):

Topless $20
Nude $40
Nude Reverse $60 (you get to touch the girl)
Bodyslide $80

Of course, sex happens and is offered at some places. Costs run from $80 for a blowjob to $120 and more for sex. As others have pointed out, you probably don't want to go to places that offer bjs or sex as a matter of course. They're just asking to be busted as bawdyhouses.

If you go to a well-run, legit spa, you have little to worry about. Most "legal" issues faced by spas relate to bylaw as opposed to criminal charges.

james t kirk said:

"Ted, you're going undercover at Remingtons, we hear they do this "jerk off mondays" thing where patrons stand at the front of the stage and the male strippers ejaculate on them, here's $200 for you"

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Sergeant: "And Ted, try not to swallow the evidence this time, when you're reading the guy his rights".

Don't expect sex, period. If you want sex, see an escort. Do some MPAs do it? I have no doubt - but almost certainly not with first-time clients. Personally, I have never asked for, nor been offered, sex.

The $40/hh you see advertised is just the "door fee" - it gets you in the room with a beautiful girl who will make you very happy if you treat her right. Typically, the same services are offered everywhere (look at one of the websites that provides a list of rates/services to get an idea.. tip: bodyslides are the most fun; you won't regret it!), but some places can't advertise it because of bylaws or something (what am I, a lawyer??!)

As for the terms.. topless, nude should be self explanatory.. nude reverse means you can massage the girl as well.. bodyslide means she uses her whole body to massage you (it's wonderful).

Yoga Face said:

Muse owners had a booth at the Sex Show and they told me that hand jobs are legal inToronto

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Of course they would. But they are not lawyers, and the legal advice they received would have been about risks they faced and defences they might use. They want to run a legal business and make money, not spend it in legal battles and courtrooms.

There are two 'legals' involved: Municipal licensing, which in Toronto prohibits nudity and genital contact by attendant and client both, and Criminal Code, which governs sex for money. It's up to the lawyers and the courts to fight out and decide what all the conflicting, confusing and contradictory overlaps mean. Or don't.

If a HJ is sex for money, then it is prostitution and the place is a criminal bawdyhouse. If there is nudity and/or genital contact then the place is not meeting its legal license obligations. But the first case has to be detected by cops, the second by licensing inspectors, and for both, someone at HQ has to say, "This is worth our taxpayers' time and money to pursue".

You're in a room alone with her; you figure it out.

fanofdo said:

When they do go undercover, it seems like it takes them several months to 'investigate'. :Eek:

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They go undercover? When I go to those places it's always done on top of the sheets. Weird!

oldjones said:

You're in a room alone with her; you figure it out.

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very true, but you can't control what happens in the room next door. hence, the wisdom of going to a reputable spa.