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winemaker70

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I live in the Toronto area, and have tried a couple of incall escorts, but find this very limited. There are lots of outcall escorts I would like to try, but find the idea of spending another $100 or so on a hotel room for just one hour, well that would bring the cost up excessively. I would rather spend the money on the escort, and not on a hotel room.

Here are my questions to the board:

1. Are there many others like myself who live in the Toronto area that limit themselves to incalls because of the hotel cost?

2. If I were to invest in properties (I am a retired businessman) in the Toronto area, and rent out rooms to clients on an hourly basis, at a VERY reasonable cost (e.g. $40-50 Cdn) for 1-2 hours, would there be a demand for such accomodation?
 

Shallow Throat

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As Bubba would say "I feel your pain".
Do a search on hotels on you'll find some suggestions.
As for your idea, you run the risk of frequent visits by LE for "keeping a common baudy house".
 

winemaker70

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I assume LE means "law enforcement". Maybe this is a naive question, but if I were to rent a room or a condo on an hourly basis, not to the escort, but strictly to a client who wishes to use the services of an escort, why would this be subject to "running a common bawdy house"?

What the client uses a rental room for is strictly his business. I am not making money off an escort, I am making money renting a room to someone.

Is this any different than a hotel renting out a room? No one ever charges the hotel with running a common bawdy shop.

Comments welcome.
 

rr_bill

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Read part 210(2) (c)

Excerpts from Part VII of the Criminal Code of Canada
Laws pertaining to prostitution



210(2) Landlord, inmate, etc.

Every one who

(a) is an inmate of a common bawdy-house,

(b) is found, without lawful excuse, in a common bawdy-house, or

(c) as owner, landlord, lessor, tenant, occupier, agent or otherwise having charge or control of any place, knowingly permits the place or any part thereof to be let or used for the purposes of a common bawdy-house,

is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

rEAD IT FOR YOURSELF HERE http://www.sp-list.com/ccc.htm




I'd say this does not look like a very good proposition to enter into. According to para. (c) you'd be ripe for plucking by L.E.
 

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Re: Read part 210(2) (c)

rr_bill said:


I'd say this does not look like a very good proposition to enter into. According to para. (c) you'd be ripe for plucking by L.E.


I think the key word is "knowingly". However, if he's just renting his condo to visitors and others that in itself is not against the law and it seems to me LE would not have strong grounds to investigate unless there were complaints from neighbours ( eg: noise, traffic ) and such like. A lot would also depend on the wording in his advertisements. Just MH ( not legal opinion).
 

easyrider

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It's a possibility

There is no doubt that there is a market for this. But it's a grey area. If you had a regular stable of guys, the traffic wasn't too heavy and the location suitable you'd likely not be bothered. But it sounds like a headache administering such an enterprise.
 

winemaker70

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I agree any successful prosecution depends on the landlord "knowlingly" renting the premises for use as a bawdy house.

Here are my questions:

1. I rent a room to a client for a period of 1-2 hours, at very reasonable cost. How do I KNOW what goes on in that room? I have had absolutely no discussion with the client, and I certainly have no knowledge that he may invite an escort to entertain him, nor do I care because he is now in charge of that room. Once he pays and I turn over the key, we go our separate ways, until check-out time. I simply check him him, and check him out, and I am not informed about anything in between. Is this any different than a Sheraton Hotel?

I am surmising that landlords who may have been charged in the past, were charged because they rented DIRECTLY to escorts. That is not what I am proposing.

Now how does LE come along, under the above scenario, and prove in a court of law, without reasonable doubt, that I KNOW what the premises are being used for? I think a proper legal opinion will give a good indication, but if there are any legal minds or otherwise here willing to give me some foresight or opinion, I would like to hear from you.

2. The question of advertising:

Well I am a businessman who perceives that there is demand for short-term room or condo rentals, and that the marketplace does not adequately address the current shortfall.

I further perceive that clients who hire escorts for adult entertainment are the prime target base that would pay for short-term rentals. It is not illegal, as far as I know, to hire an escort and have her entertain you in the privacy of your hotel, motel or condo or room that you have rented on a short-term basis.

Therefore, my advertising would be geared towards clientele of this nature, that is the clients who hire escorts, not the escorts themselves. To get at the clients, I would include advertising on sites they would be likely to browse. Is there anything illegal in this?

Secondly, what if I were to expand on the paragraph above, and to include advertising to the escorts themselves, that rooms were available on a short-term basis? What they do on an out-call basis is not illegal, so why would such advertising be construed as illegal?
 

syn

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i would suggest that you rent for 1/2 day sessions ... with the idea that some business men require a 'rest stop' or place to relax ...

when you offer 1 hour sessions, you will be deemed 'wilfully blind' as a 'reasonable man' would be able to see what would occur.

motels in certain areas that offer the one hour rate are frequently busted as bawdy houses ... [i know ... years ago when i worked the streets i was busted in one!]

syn
 
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bobqc

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I work into Tourism industries, and I can tell you that in most of the Hotel that I know, the have “day use” charge, it is often use for people that does want to extend their stay into the Hotel, let say that instead of leaving for 11 am you would like to stay until 6 pm, they will charge a “day use” from $40.00 and more, but the same rated often applied in many hotel if you check in at 1 pm and ask for a “day use” by telling them that you will be leaving before 5 or 6 pm.:)
 

rr_bill

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Sheik said:
Winemaker,.......... Just be warned that you can be charged as an owner since there are "bawdy" activities going on.... I remember hearing about a landlord who was charged for renting his house out to someone who was procuring the services of ladies for hire and one of them just happened to be a vice cop.

I cannot remember any specifics, but if he can be charged, so can you. Talk to your lawyer and he will caution you against it.
You as the owner or landlord can be found liable should any charge be laid, bringing a conviction on any person in your estblishment under Sections 210 (3) and 210 (4).

Remember too, that under the code Section 197 (1), "common bawdy-house" means a place that is resorted to by one or more persons for the purpose of prostitution or the practice of acts of indecency; It doesn't have to be advertised as such - resorted to means "commonly used for", and any person could be read to mean "client" as well as prostitute.

A dangerous use for a few $$$.
 

winemaker70

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Thanks to everyone for their input.

From what has been posted, it seems to me that investing in a legal opinion is obviously the first step to take.

That having been said, it sounds that the way the law has been written, the prosecutor would have to prove that the premises were being rented PRIMARILY to host acts of prostitution or indecency.

Since each new rental would entail a brand new client, with whom I have no relationship whatever, I am hard-pressed to come up with a scenario where LE could prove such a pattern. They might be suspicious, based on the type of advertising conducted, but the advertising in itself does not prove their case, at least that`s the way I see it, prior to a legal opinion.

What would happen if XYZ MOTEL advertised "rooms available for one-half day, $40 rate" on https://terb.cc? Would that give justification to LE to lay charges? I think not, but a lawyer would have to advise me, based on past cases of this nature. I will look into hiring a criminal lawyer for a legal opinion when I get back from France (going on vacation!!) in mid-June.
 

winemaker70

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Sheik,

You say it would be "easy for LE to prove the pattern" when only renting out one unit.

Could you expand on this please?

Exactly what "pattern" would be proven? Whether it is one room or a 100 rooms for rent, each client that rents in effect starts a brand-new "pattern" of rental. Since the landlord has no relationship whatever to the renter, where is there any semblance of a "pattern"? Each new rental entails a brand-new "contract" for rental of the space for a short-term period. The only "pattern" I can see is that the room is rented on a short-term (e.g. 1-4 hour or half-day) basis, as opposed to daily or weekly, but I would need a legal opinion to determine if that was problematic.

I can see getting into trouble if the landlord rented out this one room to a specific client repeatedly, or to a specific escort repeatedly, within a certain time frame, but that could be easily avoided.
 
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