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MuffinMuncher

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I was blown off by 2 of the area's best and most reputable providers this weekend. The first was a scheduling error, the second a bit more complicated and personally disturbing.

The long-winded version isnt relavant. Suffice to say the SP called to check my authenticity, and upon hearing "no one by that name is registered", turned around and went home. The problem starts when I call to find out why she is an hour late for our appointment.

I was accused of, in no particular order:
1. Lying and misrepresenting myself.
2. Being an American (American guys who come to Toronto usually see 5-6 women in a weekend, so I'm sure you'll have no problem booking a replacement through an agency).
3. Being a member of TERB and attending a TERB party (because of the behavior of men on that board and the graphic details and lies they post.. I want no part of that or the people there)

This was all BEFORE I uncovered the source of the problem... she called the wrong hotel.

My point is that, as I've said in past posts, the sins of the few taint the reputation of the many. The idiots who only exist here to flame others and cause problems are beginning to represent the public perception of this board and community.

Secondly, before the brainless lemmings trot out their blind support of their favorite provider when anything remotely negative is said about her... stop just a second to consider that maybe, just maybe, its a valid post. As I can attest from my experience, mistakes and baseless assumptions of character are not limited to streetwalkers.


[Exit soapbox, Rant concluded]
 

james t kirk

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The answer is simple.

Don't tell them you know about this board.

Lots of chicks out there don't like TERB because it exposes them for what they are - Frauds.

They cheat, lie, steal, give lousy service, etc. TERB helps bring us together and share our respective stories, good and bad. It helps bring the bad news into the light. This is no different than if you were buying a new car and did some research on the car before you dropped your hard earned money.

You wanna hook up with a girl, do a little research on TERB and go with it. Sure, nothing is 100%, but we all have experienced complete and utter disappointments at the hands of cheats.

My observation is that there are some girls who get excellent reviews on TERB by many different posters. If i decided I wanted to utilize whatever service, I will look for that girl as opposed to the unknown radical.

Conversely, there are girls / agencies who consistently get BAD reviews, and i will AVOID.

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SamanthaJones

james t kirk said:
The answer is simple.

Don't tell them you know about this board.

Lots of chicks out there don't like TERB because it exposes them for what they are - Frauds.

They cheat, lie, steal, give lousy service, etc. TERB helps bring us together and share our respective stories, good and bad. It helps bring the bad news into the light. This is no different than if you were buying a new car and did some research on the car before you dropped your hard earned money.

-"this is no different than if you were buying a new car...."


whoa!! Kirk- you hit the nail on the head!

This attitude- and not the fact that some men like to post reviews- is PRECISELY why I refuse to see these men-

they are the frauds sometimes - not the girls always-
there are good and bad eggs in both baskets -the male and the female - being a fraud is not a trait limited to only one sex.

If I am considered by some a fraud- so be it- its alot easier to live up to than being considered a perfect gfe!!lol
 

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Bad SPs and bad clients existed long before the boards. There are unfortunately some SPs out there who seems to think that
boards create bad clients. ( A few months ago I received an email from an SP who was upset about a review in which she referred to TERB members as "The Taliban".)
The reality of the matter is review boards, just like escorting, will always be with us.
 
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SamanthaJones

In my view the problem is that
some posters have a way of wording a review akin to a car review - like an object- not a human being.

in fact James Kirk said above that "its just like buying a new car"
IT IS NOT LIKE BUYING A CAR
if that were the case slavery and the buying of people would be ok too.

I have no problem with reviews .
But personally I will not ever see someone who wants to compare me to a car.
 
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SamanthaJones

even then- I am ,as are the other ladies in this biz- above all,
human beings.

and as I have always said and believe- this is supposed to be all about pleasure-
 

torex

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I hear ya Samantha!I was just trying to be silly!I totally agree men seem to think just because they pay for companionship that means they can treat woman anyway they like,we are all human no matter what are profession is and respect should always come first!!!;)
 

james t kirk

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I am being taken out of context here.

The car analogy.....

What I meant was, if one is buying a car, one usually will do some research to ensure that money is being spent wisely. Just like if you were hiring a contractor, you would check references. If you were hiring a person to work for you, you would check references. Same goes to hiring any professional for that matter. A contractor is a person, so is a potential employee, or any other person selling a service. Is an SP somehow different from a contractor just because she is selling sex, and a contractor is selling whatever he happens to be skilled at?

I realize that SP's are people and not cars, however, they are offering a service for money and as a result, you become subject to criticism good or bad. If you were giving it away, so be it, but you are not. You are selling a service. The second money becomes involved, the rules change. If you want to be viewed as a professional, then you have to be willing to accept that criticism will come your way. It is no different in my field. I work my ass off, and yet criticism often comes my way. (Like last week, which i won't get into details about) It's the way it goes.

I in no way intended my comments to imply that SP's are akin to an inanimate object, in this case, a car.

I can appreciate that there are asshole clients out there, and i have read several posts on terb from SP's to that affect, warning other SP's. I have no problem with that.

I guess what a client wants is as per advertised, whatever that may or may not be, and what an SP wants is as expected - clean guy, no money hassles, treats the girl with respect.

Fair enough.

To me, TERB helps avoid misunderstandings.

Like when an SP quotes her measurements as 36-24-34, and really she is more like 40-42-56, or when she tells time with a different watch than the rest of the world. Where I might say that was 10 minutes and she says it was 1 hour. These are the biggies I look for on the whole.

These are the kind of SP's out there who warrant scrutiny, and whom most likely hate TERB the most.
 
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First of J.T. Kirk, sorry...I stand to correct you: Its alot like renting a car, to buy one is a whole other ball of wax.

Ok, now that I have that off my chest, I think its obvious when you look around that these guys have no problem sticking up for the good girls, tastes vary...but be warned; unless you fill out a Sheik review form its VERY probable she knows who you are and there's really nothing stopping her from voicing her version of the story too.

Treat it like art, if you cant handle having your art critiqued, then maybe it should be kept private, and exclusive. A public artist listens to the good and bad reviews.
 

MuffinMuncher

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To put this to rest

All replies to date have valid points. If you go back to read my original post, the gist of the rant was that the actions of a small minority in this community have tainted the vast majority of its members. At the next TERB party, I think we should all wear a Scarlett T as a sign of solidarity. LOL!

The second point was to not assume that YOUR great experience will be duplicated by everyone after you. A negative comment is not an open invitation for the increasingly common "piling on" from the lemmings who worship at the feet of their ATF.

If we all take a breath, think before we act, and give each other the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise... and if we all are a little more conscious that our posts involve human beings with feelings, I think this community in general will benefit greatly.

The SP involved is not at all the point. Pick a name. It could be anyone and the points I raised would be just as meaningful.
 

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decca said:
I totally agree men seem to think just because they pay for companionship that means they can treat woman anyway they like,we are all human no matter what are profession is and respect should always come first!!!;)
The other is true as well. Very often you encounter an SP who abuses her power position once she has the money. We all have to admit there are more than a few SPs out there who will take full advantage of that position. It seems as if their objective is to leave you feeling shorted and their chief source of satisfaction is to deny the client theirs. This is supposed to be about pleasure and for some it is, but for others it's just the money and nothing else matters.

The original purpose of this board was to review experiences good and bad alike. Recommendations or warnings were the topic of the day. This board not only served its purpose well with excellent leads, it took on a life of its own. It created a scattered cyber community from all walks of life who among other things affirmed the hobbying lifestyle and tore down a barrier to enable a dialogue between both camps. Before this board came along I felt like a victim more than half the time I booked. This figure has dropped considerably since.

I often didn't know who to book, or better yet who to steer clear of. It is almost impossible to evaluate an SP by her ads. In fact it's a leap of faith on both sides for two strangers to expect one another to behave politely, maturely, and honorably on such transactions.

And approaching the subject of special service --- phht forget it! Some SPs took great care to try to make me feel like I was peculiar for requesting anything other than an arms length mechanical hand job. Often this attitude presented itself after the money changed hands and usually for the purpose of dissuading my special requests or my desire to see the hour to completion. This was the lighter side of my disappointments. There were other service providers who's antics I wont go into other than to say they were little better than thieves.

No SP likes a bad review and no client likes a bad call so look at it this way. The business lost to bad-call warnings is likely balanced by the recommendations. An SP who wont see a client based solely on his name being cavalierly placed in a bad-call list is likely doing that client a favor. The review/warning system won't always amount to fair play, but it's an improvement. The grapevine has evolved into an intricate web. Providers and clients now know the benefits and consequences of their actions.

Bullies and shills exist everywhere. They have been thwarted by the conscientous more times than not. I have learned to read between the lines. One of the better experiences I had was last year with an SP who was taking a lot of harsh criticism on the boards. Her reactions impressed me as she did not engage in sniping, or get overly offensive in her defense. She merely commented on her attitudes to hobbying and clients in general.

In addition to following leads I can now stray from the boards and book with an Independant SP, having learned from them, how to mutually protect my interests and respect hers.

Cheers,
Wha
 

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SamanthaJones said:
even then- I am ,as are the other ladies in this biz- above all,
human beings.

and as I have always said and believe- this is supposed to be all about pleasure-
About the pleasure? It is about the 'PASSION'. Whether the passion emanates from reality or fantasy there cannot be any 'erstwhile' pleasure without passion. If I want pleasure I will drive a car in particular a Ferrari. If I want passion then I want an intelligent,mature,elegant lady even if my passion flows from my fantasy.
 
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SamanthaJones

So true John- the best encounters are the ones where real passion is shared, and that , I believe, develops best in an atmosphere of trust.

Terb is information, companionship, assurance, warnings , fun- all good things.

Most of the people here- men and women are honest- a few are not. We have all read the fakes.

Because we are all human, we are not perfect. We all make mistakes. Terb is a great source of information so the men here can avoid mistakes -or at least as many- where they will be wasting their time, energy and money perhaps. And also so the women can avoid abuse, and the wasting of their time and energy.
Two sides to every coin. Terb, and other board like it , help all of us to choose more intelligently whom we wish to spend our precious time with.
Even in this business some people were meant to meet and enjoy their time together- some are better to never meet at all.

Hearing stories of the "mechanical" sp reminds me of the complaints about the "mechanical " nurse or doctor, etc.
Whenever physical & emotional touch is involved we expect a little more.It's called being human.
 
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Willywants

Some Willy Words!

I appreciate the fact that this is a review board and the intent behind it, however, when what has transpired privately between 2 individuals is graphically posted, privacy becomes a non issue!
I rarely review any lady whose service I have enjoyed simply because the encounter immediately becomes public domain and and detracts from the pleasure of the total experience!
I enter any encounter on a personal level, human to human, man to woman, and choose to keep details private!
No knight in shining armour here, but I will jump to the defense of any SP that I know if she is being openly slandered by someone who is doing so out of ignorance, either ignorance of knowledge about the SP, or plain personal ignorance!
I do not rely on reviews of SP's on this board when looking for the company of a lady! I research sites, read the bio, the faq's and any other pertinent information on the site!
My priority is to present myself honestly and openly, hoping for a response, and then communicating on a personal basis with the individual, either by e-mail or phone!
Unfortunately, it seems that the majority of TERB members are thinking too much in terms of the "quick fix" rather than in terms of a rewarding and meaningful personal experience with a real, live, warm, loving and caring person!
Seek and ye shall find!!

Willywants (to win $24 million this Friday!)
 

james t kirk

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Willy wants makes a very good point that has been overlooked.

Sometimes you will read a review of a MP or SP that is critical, and the others on the board will jump all over the guy defending the girl in question because they have had nothing but good experiences with her.

So to that end, the boards often work in favour of a girl, and slander is often times beaten into the dust.
 

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remember one thing.....

Muncher, Sorry about that bad experience.
We have to remember one thing about this and any other board. they are tools, and thats all. God knows that everyone's interpretation of "the Perfect" sp will almost never be the same as someone else's. Expecting to have the same kind of time that someone has reviewed on the board is almost ludicrous. At the same time, the lady in this case has to live up to this expectation that is set, that just isn't fair to her.
This all being said, I do not see the problem with posting to boards, IF THE SP HAS NO PROBLEM WITH YOU DOING SO!
Girls on the other hand, try to give us guys a break. There are some girls in the past that have been konwn to "self post". This can make for a bad experience for both parties. Posting and reviews are not bad things towards you they are simply an expanation of how a girl has lived up to someone's expectations. If anything you should be able to get some idea of a guys personality by reading his posts. If he flames everyone, chances are he will flame you too.
Ok, my disertation is done. Just remember, the board is s tool, thats it, not bible. Take it for what its worth.
If used right, it can helop and in some caszes protect you.

Doc
 

Fred Zed

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Re: Some Willy Words!

Willywants said:

I do not rely on reviews of SP's on this board when looking for the company of a lady! I research sites, read the bio, the faq's and any other pertinent information on the site!
Willywants (to win $24 million this Friday!)
I think that method works for you because you are familiar with the territory and/ or have developed some method that evidently works for you. Let's say you were travelling somewhere ( or the website info was not accurate ), that method might not work very well. ( How do bait-and-switch agencies make their money ?)

Having said this, I agree with most of your sentiments.
There is no real need for graphic reviews.

Fred ( - hoping to get a share of Willy's millions this Friday ! )
 

vidi vici veni

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Fred Zed said:
Fred ( - hoping to get a share of Willy's millions this Friday ! )
Geez Fred, what Friday would that be? A combination of the Terb clock and a few Weissbier has left me all confused.:p Feel like I'm in some sort of time warp. Oops, guess I'm in the wrong thread too.

vvv
 
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Willywants

An Oversight!!

Hey Fred!
I do have to agree! The board is invaluable for those utilizing agency services!
I would suggest that, often, a poor encounter or experience is not always the fault of the lady, but more likely the fault of a disreputable agency!

If I win the big 24Million, you had better be first in line!
I'm planning to go out in a blaze of glory!
The cruise planned at 22Million has now been expanded!
I'm thinking bare boat in the Aegean with an all female crew!

Willywants (to live the dream!)
 
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