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Chiropractic risk? (and rant about massage)

BBW_Morgan

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I've had on ongoing problem with my shoulder since I hurt it last year playing tennis. I've thought about seeing a chiropractor - the massage therapist I've been seeing suggested it, actually.

Call me a wimp, but there's just something about having someone crack my neck that worries me. Is there anyone on here who's tried it? If so, does it actually seem to help?

BTW, the massage therapist I see does Shiatsu over on the Danforth. It's a large, very clean Dojo with a street sign stating they offer theraputic Shiatsu -- there is no *way* you could mistake this for an erotic massage place. In spite of this, every day they have people coming in and hitting on the attendants, asking what kind of 'extras' they can get. It's gotten so bad that they now give every new client a little speech emphasing the fact that they do *theraputic massage only*. This is the kind of stuff that must piss people off and make the erotic massage industry in general look bad!

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Damondean

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I use one

Started going when I had a back problem a couple of years ago. He fixed it. I still go occasionally. In fact, I went today and took alomg the Globe and Mail clipping with the drawing of the artery allegedly damage by the chiropractor (current inquest). He said it would take the combined strength of both of us to damage that artery. The woman must have had a pre-existing condition. I know a couple of MDs who go to chiropractors. One does not allow neck manipulation but takes part in all other procedures.

I think misdiagnosis and erros by regular MDs is a much bigger problem.

If you want my guy's name, PM me. He's in the Davenport and Avenue Road area and I can recommend him.
 

LoveThemGirls

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I've been seeing my current chiropractor for about 5 years now. I lived with chronic pain in my neck and shoulder for about a decade, then decided to see a chiropractor as I had tried just about everything else. Pain was gone after a series of visits, and I still go about once a month to keep pain-free. I was just there today actually, woke up with a kink in my neck and when I left his office I was as good as new.

He has been extremely pissed off at the negative publicity of that woman whose family claimed suffered a stroke due to a chiropractic manipulation. He said, as mentioned above, that she had a series of health problems for years and that the reason for all this bs about the profession is that there is a battle between chiropratic doctors and medical doctors, the md's want to bleed OHIP dry and by burying alternative forms of medicine they can have the OHIP coffers all to themselves. All I can say is it works for me and I don't know what I'd do without my chiropractic treatments.
 

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Having known a number of chiropractors, there are a lot of them that I respect. Many of them are quite good at treating various musculoskeletal conditions. However, I personally refuse to have my neck adjusted and there are many chiropractors who do softer manipulations. The lady who passed away probably did have pre-existing conditions that made her artery more vulnerable and the public should be made aware that there may be some risk in selected individuals similar to the case with aspirin where people should be warned of potential allergies and stomach problems. What I do have a problem with is that there are a small number of chiropractors who are trying to convince people that chiropractic manipulation can treat disorders like asthma and bowel problems without any sound scientific basis. As far as alternative medicine is concerned, I have no problems with them but if anything bad happens the entity responsible should be held accountable just like everybody else. Just because something is natural or alternative doesn't mean it can not do any harm.

As far as the doctors are concerned, some lawyers have been saying that if you have a neck problem and your doctor tells you to go see a chiropractor and something bad happens, your doctor could be also be sued.
 

BBW_Morgan

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Well, at this point it seems like it's certainly worth a try. I'm going to make an appointment on Monday. My shoulder got seriously worse after being stuck on a train home from NYC for 11 hours, and it's been making it impossible to work. Since I don't take drugs or painkillers, this seems like the only option to try.

Shiatsu has actually been a lifesaver since I injured myself -- I'm seriously addicted to it.

Morgan

(ouch -- even typing hurts!)
 
Combine Chiro with Massage...

Depending on the problem, but I highly recommend both for some conditions.

If the muscles are tight which pull out joints deep machine is great. If its inflamation you may need a shot/medication to tackle the inflatmation.

Both muscle tighness and inflamation can force joints out of place.

I currently have a bad AC joint that on Xray is pushed up higher than the collar bone. My muscles are chronically tight in neck and now shoulder/upper arm. DEEP muscle work is all that works and I go to Chiro within a few hours after massage (1hr all on shoulder/back/arm). Relaxing the muscles makes it easier for Chiro to adjust. The joint being out also creates nerve impingment which is the cause of pain when extend arm behind back etc....

Every condition is different, but often massage/Chiro make a great team. Often it takes a few weeks/months to get back to normal but it is worthwhile! The Chiro costs be $22.50/visit and the 1 hour deep muscle massage $60 (U.S.)

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BBW_Morgan said:
In spite of this, every day they have people coming in and hitting on the attendants, asking what kind of 'extras' they can get.
A case of a mistaken identity happens with erotic massage places as well... It actually makes me angry and disappoints me when there are clients walking in and inquiring about strictly medical massage type. :confused: ...with all that sexy make up, freshly sharpened nails, hair, stiletto hills and scanty attire, I feel like a fool, ah...
 

Heather

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I have to admit I am very biased. I have been seeing a chiro since I was six. THe first helped me grow out of scoliosis, a curvature of the spine. Later I saw one to help me with a neck injury I received from a car accident when I was 17. I tried physio therapy, and massage therapy both three times a week. The massage felt good, but did little for my pain. The physio did nothing but irritate the injury more and waste 3 hours of my time every week a year. The chiro was the only thing that provided any relief, often instantaneously. I still get tension headaches occasionally and see a chiro about once a month. I find this work is very hard on my neck. Don't laugh, I seriously consider it a work related hazard.
 

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Morgan,

I am sure that, as ripped says, some Chiropractors have caused serious long term injury. However I have visited various Chiropractors for over 40 years for back and neck injuries. The treatment was recommended by a medical Dr. as the available treatment at the time was not helping and I was living on pain killers.

Also take Karate Kid's suggestion and look for someone who uses the activator technique. Many do now due to the previously noted controversy. My present Chiropractor began to use this method about 2 years ago and my treatments were just as effective as they were when he used the cracking technique.

Good Luck

H.
 

BBW_Morgan

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Fireman said:

Morgan... do you know exactly what is wrong with your shoulder? Treat the underlying cause first... Just a suggestion.
The initial injury was a torn rotator cuff. Overlying that seems to be some carpal tunnel symptoms, due to my computer related work.

I actually gave in and took a muscle relaxant last night. This sucks completely -- I've never had to deal with any form of ongoing pain like this before. I do have an appt Monday with a chiro who also does sports medicine -- she came highly recommended.

Morgan
 

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I have to agree with Ripped! being an athelete for most of my life I've hyad many injuries including 6 major sugeries on my right knee,,yes 6,anyway my orthopeadic surgeon is one of the best in Canada studying under Dr.Jackson who brought arthoscopy to North America,Dr Olgivie-Harris at Toronto Western is the best ,,h e treats all leafs and jays ,he also has a sports clinic at Yonge and Davisville!go see a reputable Ortopeadic Dr. before you see a quack Dr.!!
by the way ,rotator cuff injuries can be a real problem!
 
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Jenn_angel

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My opinion....

Well I must say I have been to all of the above and more so to speak...

Massage generally makes me useless for about three days but I like it at the time so I still do it... Physio... Well I am a big fan of this it does absolutely nothing for any problems I have now...

Chiropractic medicine... Well I will say it has been very helpful for people I know... It unfortunately has not done a good thing for me... I had no pain, but my alignment was off... In three places... Now the first two were fixed no problem... The third in which I had never had pain... Hurts to this day... 8 years later...

Part of the reason I don't do anything about it is because the pain comes and goes... The other part is that I am not sure if it was having it put back in place that caused the pain or if it has slipped out of place again...

Go ahead and call me a chicken... But it has to do with my lower back... It is too much of a risk... Surprisingly enough I have found a natual pain killer though... At least in my case... I believe the board likes to call it cowgirl... No wonder it is in my top 5 favorites... lol
 

cooper

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Getting a massage to treat an injury might tdo one of three things: 1) it could make it feel better for a while (but really doesn't address the underlying reason for the pain so it will come back), 2) it could do nothing, or 3) it could actually aggrevate the injury.

If it were me I would go to an orthopedic surgeon. They are best suited to diagnose the cause of the problem... period. Then they just might refer you to a physical therapist. My personal preference is a physical therapist that works out of a hospital outpatient center. They have gret skills and are not compensated based on how many times you see them or how many procedures they do on you. And, the treatment is being done under the supervision of the physician.
 
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