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Keebler Elf

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I caught a brief clip on CNN talking about a new video game in which you kill cops. This brought on a discussion about violence in video games. One side argued that first-person shooters absolutely contribute to violent tendencies, citing the military's use of them to train its soldiers to kill without thinking. The other side argued there is no link between violent video games and killing in real life.

The point of this post is not to debate that argument. My point is this:

If you agree that killing in video games is okay b/c it's "just a game" and doesn't lead someone to kill, then would you be okay with video games that depict rape and child molestation (let's say, for points). If not, why? If murdering people is okay, why aren't other crimes that don't take a person's life? It's all just a game, right?

I would really like to see violent video game advocates answer this question on TV. I think it would really highlight the desensitization to violence we have undergone over the past few decades...

edit: hee-hee, my sig kinda proves that point! :eek:
 

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The issue of viloence in video games has raged on for over a decade. General consensus as of recent times has been that "It's only a game" and therefor violence is acceptable. I however would ask the question, why is it we as human beings decide to play so many video games that center around viloence? Why are the most popular video games the ones where we have to kill people? 90% of all online gaming is war based having people run around and killing each other, is this what it means to be human? Are we all just blood thirsty kill or be kill savages?

In GTA Vice City you can pick up a hooker, get some action in your car, then when she leaves you can back over her with your car and steal the money she took for having serviced you. That's disturbing, perhaps it's just a game but why is that aspect even there to begin with?
 

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Keebler Elf said:
If you agree that killing in video games is okay b/c it's "just a game" and doesn't lead someone to kill, then would you be okay with video games that depict rape and child molestation (let's say, for points). If not, why? If murdering people is okay, why aren't other crimes that don't take a person's life? It's all just a game, right?
I'd say that yes, in theory, that would be okay. As you say - to be logically consistent, you don't have much choice. Here's the reason why I think the idea seems shocking though: in the west, we have a relatively long history of violence in mainstream media (TV, cinema, etc). As a result, having violence in interactive games isn't such a jump. We do not have a corresponding history of seeing rape, child abuse, etc in the movies, so including them in a video game would cause the majority of people to shit themselves.

As a side point, consider anime and hentai. The Japanese have a much more liberal attitude (in some respects) to the depiction of things like rape; I'm guessing that they'd also have less problem with performing the acts in a video game.

Interesting to think about....
 

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Keebler Elf said:
... then would you be okay with video games that depict rape and child molestation (let's say, for points).
What would you call it?
Possible names:
Super-Pedo-Mario?
Spyro in Neverland?
 

lickrolaine

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When I was growing up,(still not done,lol) the game played was cowboys and indians,to this day I have no desire to kill an Indian,or a Cowboy,go figure.
But there are a few lawyers and politicians,if givin the chance,lmao,,,,,,,but that is another game.
 

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pics of the hottie

Sorry guys. Off topic, but who is that hottie that you have below your sig asn? She's smokin!!!

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I remember a game in the arcades where the object was to run down pedestrians. It was removed. Nowadays it would be considered tame.
 

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lickrolaine said:
When I was growing up,(still not done,lol) the game played was cowboys and indians,to this day I have no desire to kill an Indian,or a Cowboy,go figure.
Poor example.

Today, you'd be using your Winchester rifle to make head shots that would splatter the brains of the Indians all over the ground, and you'd be given bonus points for doing so. You'd also be shown, in graphic detail, everything you were doing rathing than imagining it.

That's not to say you'd run out and start killing people, but yours is often the simplistic argument people make so they don't have to dig any deeper and truly examine what it is they are spending so much of their time doing. Or limit said activity.

But I would argue that it's naive in the extreme to think witnessing the violent deaths of literally thousands of people over a person's lifetime has no effect on their persona/behaviour/outlook. At the very least it leads to desensitization towards violence.

It's like eating a Whopper. Burger King can argue that no single Whopper has any negative effects on the overall health of a person. But if you eat one every day, look out! :eek:
 

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its like saying the sword of damocles isn't dangerous
 

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WhaWhaWha said:
I remember a game in the arcades where the object was to run down pedestrians. It was removed. Nowadays it would be considered tame.
Ah Carmagedon , Great game thanks for the reminder i havent played it in a few years. time to get it out and start running over shit. :D
 

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Which is why I can respect a game like Splinter Cell Chaos Theory because even though it's a military action game your actually required to not kill anyone for the majority of the game.
 

Eli

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There is a certain amount of pandering to the low brow in the video game industry. Just like in TV and film. Of course it doesn't help that violence (destruction) is considered more socially acceptable than oh let's say sex (construction). What I find really disturbing is all this pro USA militarism found in a lot of today's video games. I was absolutly appalled at all the Vietnam War games that have come out in recent times. Like the Vietnamese people haven't suffered enough.

BTW, another great game is Deus Ex: Invisible War where there is not so much good guys and bad guys as different factions all fighting towards what they feel is the betterment of society.
 

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RachelB said:
Lets keep it all in perspective. Jeffery Dahmer never played video games and he ATE a whole bunch of people.

Depends on the person and their mental stability.

My two cents,

Rachel

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Thanks for adding some sanity to the paranoia. I`ve played GTA a few times, yet I`ve never committed a violent act towards anyone in real life. Imagine that.
 

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BUT...like anything these kids that play video games 24/7 lose reality and I think can become numb to the violence. Look at what happend 10 years ago with paint ball. Same argument about video games. Just because I like to shoot my friend with a paint ball gun....(only when there also playing I am not a sick bastart that only happened once) doesn't mean I am going to start shooting people with a real gun. I like first person shooter like Halo, and all the Tom Clancy series but I would never shoot a person in real life. Even though there are some politicians that I would love to splatt with a paint ball or two...

Again I do think we need more control on who does play them. Kids under 18 should not be allowed even though I know parents that just go out and buy these types of games for their children.

This argunment is old dating back to D&D in the 70's and guess what we do not have people runing around with swords hacking people because of D&D.

Now my friends I am going to sleep have a great weekend.

Kurt
 

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RachelB said:
Lets keep it all in perspective. Jeffery Dahmer never played video games and he ATE a whole bunch of people.

Depends on the person and their mental stability.

My two cents,

Rachel

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DING DING DING

We have a winner.
 

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Well, I truly believe that it's all in the person themselves. The debate over violence on TV or in Movies has now (based on the emergence of spectacular graphics and video) moved into the realm of the video game.

If you're a whack job who has a penchant for dealing death to a human being, the line between fantasy (TV/Movies/Games) and reality can be blurred. I don't see a problem with that theory.

BUT...

If you ARE in the other 99.9% of the human populace, you're not going to be influenced by anything you see in the fantasy world, and incorporate it into the real world.

Face it, those who perpetrate violence upon others are going to do it no matter what influences them. Preventing the rest of us from seeing or participating in violent games AREN'T going to solve anything.

I've been playing computer games for over 20 years, from Pong through early home computers up to today, and I have yet to want to do anything even CLOSE to the things I can do in the games I play.
 
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