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Dooley Controversy

The Dooley's are a disgrace to humanity but so are half these letters and the Star. See link below

I know I'm the biggest softy here but is Canada really so vicious? What are we gonna do to reduce this kind of savagry? Bring in more prosecutors and a coroner's inquiry? Yeah that will do it. Every day I'm getting the feeling that our community here on TERB is far more civilized than main street Canada.

I do think the verdict was wrong and could be overturned but completely understand the jury. I personally value a legal system that follows the rules and murder requires intent.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...l_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News

If the link doesn't work read below:

We asked readers what they thought of the verdict in the trial of Marcia and Tony Dooley, who were convicted of murdering their young son Randal. Here's what you had to say:
"What those two despicable people did to that poor child makes me re-evaluate my thoughts on the death penalty. No amount of prison time could be enough! I just hope some thug in prison decides to treat Marcia and Tony as they did little Randal.''
T. Leigh Davis, Winnipeg, April 19

"Thank God for the verdict. I do not know Randy or his parents, all I know is I cried my eyes out every time I read about his story. I hope Tego will find it in his heart, to heal and love and one day be a good parent. I wish him all the best.''
-Kiddy M., Toronto, April 19

"They should get life with no food. Let them suffer.''
-Tess Thomas, Pickering, April 19

"My heart breaks at the thought of what Randal went through. God help the poor wee children -- tears are not enough. From a very sad granny.''
-Nancy Gray, Kingston, April 19

"They got what they deserved. That poor boy was suffering so long and had no one to turn to. He is in a better place now and will no longer have to endure the pain that he was going through.''
-Carla Daley, Scarborough, April 19

"I hope those two rot in jail for what they have done. I pray that the judge gives them the maximum sentence.''
-William Bloxam, Mississauga, April 19

"We should punish the parents. But what about the agencies that have the power to stop and help these children in need? They have to be held accountable as well.''
-Kelly McCulloch, Thornhill, April 19

`"It may not be nice to say, but I wish the death penalty was still enforced because I would put those 2 despicable people at the front of the line.''
-Natasha Ramnath, Toronto, April 19

"They have to be made an example of to show that child abuse will not be tolerated. It makes me sick to my stomach to think of those big lugs beating that poor small child to death.''
-Mary Lou Almeida, Toronto, April 19

"What's that verdict going to do for Randal who suffered so much abuse until his weakened body and spirit could handle no more? My heart aches for this poor child.''
-Carmina Articona, Toronto, April 19

"I am a mother of 2, and it breaks my heart to read what those bastards did to that poor child. How could they? They don't even deserve parole in 10 years, they should stay in jail, period.''
-Yeni Canas, Toronto, April 19
 

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Romeo said:
I personally value a legal system that follows the rules and murder requires intent.


depraved indifference to human life is also murder. They were his parents and they beat the hell out of that kid and had a responsibility to protect him which they willfully ignored. And what are we being viscious about? This country is willing to let almost anybody out of jail after 15 years. For the love of god we let out a child molesting killer only to have him kill more children, and you call our legal system savage. I by no means am for the death penalty (I don't feel we are intelligent enough to decide who should live or die) but if you beat the hell out of your child and leave them for dead, so long and say hello to Bubba for me.
 
Romeo said:
I know I'm the biggest softy here but is Canada really so vicious? What are we gonna do to reduce this kind of savagry? Bring in more prosecutors and a coroner's inquiry? Yeah that will do it. Every day I'm getting the feeling that our community here on TERB is far more civilized than main street Canada.

I do think the verdict was wrong and could be overturned but completely understand the jury. I personally value a legal system that follows the rules and murder requires intent.
Bleeding heart liberal!! What would you have us do? Have a candel light vigel for poor Mr. & Mrs. Dooley? Hold hands and sing Cum-by-yah in front of the penetentiary? Reverse the judgement? My opinion - people like the Dooleys shouldn't be allowed to procreate. That's right, forced sterilization so these inhuman creatures never have a chance to duplicate their crimes. I wouldn't have a problem with them being flogged in the town square, in fact I'd like the first crack!

OK - so this is a bit over the top but you're missing the point. When you have a child you accept the responsibility to society and to the child to perform the most basic of services. These people didn't just end their child's life; they tortured him! I hope that when Tony Dooley gets out of the can in ten to twenty-five, they deport the crack-head back to where he came from. He shouldn't have the right to be a citizen of Canada. Mr. Romeo, don't make this prick out to be a victim. There comes a time when you have to have a backbone and do what's right. Incarceration for life will never reverse the torture of this child.
 
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Bet you thought you would see the day...

It was unlikely to happen, but it seems someone finally managed to come along and create a harsher outcry than Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka combined. Some might ask whats next? But I say, sad as this may seem, there are thousands of much worse cases than either of these happening around the world.

Kids that must balance the lifestyle of a Randal Dooley with a career in manufacturing sneakers or hand-stitched baseballs. Young women barely in their teens forced into brutal and abusive sex-slave relationships in order to send meager funds to their families who would only shun and starve them if they didn't.

All in all I have to say I am grateful that I live in a corner of the world where it's not only rare to see that side of humanity among us, but that we are so sheltered from any view of it that we can still be outraged in our adult lives by a mere glimpse of it.

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Moralistic prison types

Malibook said:
[snip]They will both be targeted in prison.
Yes, the prisons are filled with characters who try to demonstrate what wonderful parents/human beings they are, by beating/killing others. Somehow, that fails mightily to impress me.:rolleyes:

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I agree with everyone else.
Think if this was your grandson or nephew, would you not want them to pay for this.There is such things as doctors and hospitals.They are there for Canadians.


If they were such caring parents they never would have flogged him till welts showed.They would have been worried about his tossing of cookies and had him checked instead of beating him.And so on.You could list everything but it would be repetitive.
They should never be allowed to have children.Their time will come.

No compassion for this pair.
 

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I really don't think prison sentences in this country are hard enough. It is a general policy that everyone gets parolled at 2/3 of their sentence, and most, no matter what the crime, get out earlier. This was a fairly big deal in my home town about 6 years ago when a young man (I believe his name was Chris Allen, the first name I'm a little vauge on) who had a long history of violent offences grabbed a 14 year old kid living in a halfway house, took him to an abondoned lot and beat him to death with a 2by4. He got 10 years tops as I recall, but thankfully they got him classified a dangerous offender, which means he stays locked up until a board is convinced he is no longer a danger to anyone. That's a success story, but the effort that other people had to make to out him where he belongs in order to protect innocent people was ridiculous.
 

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A very sad case.

Unfortunatly, we all know, that every so often they come along, this won't be the last time.

What blew me away was when the guy phoned 911 and said, "it appears my son has killed himself"

Unbelievable.

Then when the emergency response teams showed up, the old man was in the process of boiling weiners for hot dogs for himself for lunch as the paramedics tried to save the child.

I just can't believe the cold uncaring callousness
 

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Appropriate Punishment

tinop said:
I hope these two low-life scums are tortured and beaten every day for the rest of their lives!!
Do they deserve this? Probably. But do I agree with judicial torture? No, I think that's unspeakably vile. Nor do I think that the punishment of criminals should, de facto, be delegated to the lowest and most irresponsible elements of our society, i.e. fellow prisoners.

That being said, I do agree with Gramage that sentences in this country need to be lengthened. As I remarked in another thread, I wouldn't mind my taxes going to pay for nursing homes attached to our prisons. Life imprisonment should mean for life.

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On a related point, I found it even difficult to read about how that art student tortured the cat to death. If you left me alone with that boil on the scrotum of depravity, the only way I could dissuade myself from beating him half to death is by repeating to myself again and again that regardless of what I did to him, it would not set things right as the cat would not be brought back to life. But what then would I do/ what then could I do, but weep?

And why was the art "professor" who gave the perp/pervo an A for his previous "effort" involving the killing of a chicken not charged with being an accessory before the fact? I may weep (for the cat) after I "reason" with the prof.
 
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Foxhound:

Things are really out of whack when ordinary folk are left feeling that justice doesn't get rendered in our courts.

There was an interesting article by Bob Rae in the Globe and Mail the other day. He wrote that the abandonment of the political centre by both the NDP and the Alliance, in exchange for ideological purity, had left the Liberals with a stranglehold on political power.

Until politicians feel that the administration of justice matters to their electoral survival, it isn't likely to change. Looks like we'll be spending a long time waiting, more's the pity.

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The only just punish would be for the both of them to be beaten, forced to eat their own vomit, kicked, whipped ......all by someone they love and trust.


F_____ ING ASSHOLES BURN IN HELL!!
 

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VVV! Wipeme!

I'm not generally accused of being among the world's most sensitive individuals, but there are days when reading the newspaper causes me to conclude that there's just too much craziness going down these days.... With age has come empathy and I now cringe at the base cruelty of which humanity seems ever so capable.

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NO EXCUSE

I know this isn't an excuse, and please don't take it as one. I was a social worker here in Canada for 8 years....and the things you see change you forever....hence the reason i changed my profession...i am now an accountant! While working-i can tell you my caseload was enormous....they make you take time off because the job is so stressful. Sometimes its the parents faults...but most definately it is the system. Children are clearly abused, and yet the system puts them right back into that environment because they feel its right for the children to be with their 'natural' parents. But what is natural. What about all those people out there that would kill to have children and are not given the chance because they don't fit the criteria? What about the dozens of people who foster-hoping to adopt one day-and then find out the drugged out parents have more rights than they do? I don't understand Canadian law sometimes....they always say in the papers how strict we are here...i beg to differ. Rules should be followed, but alot of times...as in the Dooley's case......it was SO overlooked. By many sides...the school, the neighboors, friends, relatives.....what is it going to take to make people stand up and say-this is SO WRONG? Another death? Another suicide....i have no problem telling anyone that something is wrong....especially when it involves the well-being of a young child. Years ago...before i became a social worker (and this was the main reason i went to school for it) i went to school with a young girl-from a very large family. Her father abused her-her mother pretended it didn't happen. When we were in high school she became very sexually active and had had 4 abortions by the time she was 23. Where is she now? She committed suicide when she was 25....and what did her parents do? They blamed it on drugs...they never took responsibility for anything-and this poor young girl-who was a very talented writer-ended her life because she was never given any choices.....it's a damn shame.....:mad:
 

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No doubt the child welfare system needs a complete overhaul. I learned that lesson at 13 when somebody from my home area was able to grab a kid from an orphanage (or whatever they call them today), bash his head in with a 2-4, leave him to die in an empty lot and 2 days later when the cops came to question them they didn't know he was gone. That can't just be bad people working there, it has to be something wrong with the system, and it needs to change.
 
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