Another Election ?
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Let's give Martin a chance
It is unfair for Paul Martin to pay for the sins of Jean Chretein.
It is Chretien and his cronies who ought to be punished for the sponsership scandal. Paul Martin had nothing to do with the scandal.
Paul Martin was not even a member of the Chretien govt when the scandal happened.
No need for another election. Lets give the Martin govt a chance.
It is unfair for Paul Martin to pay for the sins of Jean Chretein.
It is Chretien and his cronies who ought to be punished for the sponsership scandal. Paul Martin had nothing to do with the scandal.
Paul Martin was not even a member of the Chretien govt when the scandal happened.
No need for another election. Lets give the Martin govt a chance.
Paul Martin was a senior minister for Chretein (some would say that the Finance Minister is the most important minister).james_Mudenka said:
He was from Quebec. It is hard to believe that he would not know what was going on in Quebec politics.
He may be far from being a great PM but he is not a fool. Indeed, if he was too stupid not to know what was going on in his own party, in his own province, as a senior minister, he is too incompetent to be a PM anyway.
I may be willing to believe that he as not part of what was going on, but I can’t believe that he was completely unaware of it.
Moreover, he is part of the party that benefited form the tax dollars misappropriated.
Saying that the current liberal party should not pay for the scandal is like saying that the present Canadian government should not be responsible for wrongs of past governments. I’m no lawyer but I don’t think that any court would decide on a lawsuit against the government based on the fact that the government changes.
The worst thing about the scandal is that it will hurt the cause of federalism in Quebec for years to come. For that damage alone, the liberal party deserves to pay a heavy price. Perhaps, if the rest of Canada shows equal disgust, Quebecers will blame the liberal party rather than Federalists in general. This may be wishful thinking, but I don’t see any other alternative.
Yeah, he is from Montreal, but so what ! Martin and Chretian never got along. Martin was fired about three years ago after Chretian accused him of leaking sensitive information to the media. I can't believe he belonged to Chretian's inner circle.someone said:
He is simply the fall guy who has to pay the price.
This I agree. The PQ will gain some seats at the expense of the liberal. Not much change other than this. Basically, this eledtion is a waste of money and time. The turnout will be low.
Oh, one more thing, expect the CAD to loose some strength next week or so, unless of course, the crude oil price shoots up to $60 and or the trade figure(to be released on Tues) is worse than expected.
So, next week should be buying opportunity for CAD, R U listening Yankees ?...lol
Everything you say is true, but has fair ever had the slightest thing to do with politics?james_Mudenka said:
You could, if you want substitute or add: useful, honest, sensible, smart, in the national interest, in anyone's interest …. You could even point out the whole sponsorship structure was an invention of another Quebec pol, Mulroney by name, whose adminstration was not untainted either.
You wear the sweater, you're part of the team. The team may lose because of the foul, even if you personally get the Lady Byng trophy for pointing it out to the ref.
But Mr. Harper and his re-christened CRAP don't get the win by default. They still have to earn it, and that'll need a more convincing performance than he put on last time, or since.
Harper doesn't present much an alternative to Martin. He lacks charisma and foremost a convincing alternative plattform to the left.
His plattform sounds like a "light me too version" of the liberals.
The only one that has any fire is Layton.While I disagree with most of his politics, at least he seems to have some convictions. Plus he has the guts to stand up and be counted. In a field of wafflers and "me too's" he might be the surprise winner.
His plattform sounds like a "light me too version" of the liberals.
The only one that has any fire is Layton.While I disagree with most of his politics, at least he seems to have some convictions. Plus he has the guts to stand up and be counted. In a field of wafflers and "me too's" he might be the surprise winner.
After seeing Layton up close as a City Councillor, I'm maybe a bit less impressed. I also remember the botch and betrayal of Bob Rae's surprise win in Ontario; couldn't keep his core voters happy, nor please new ones.
Frankly, I'd read "cenrist" as a compliment; there's not enough room along either edge of the sword that tries to slice everything into right or left. The real answers for the real people are somewhere in the middle, taking the best from both extremes and making it work.
That was always the Liberals' strong suit, while the conservatives—under all their names—always seemed more interested in theory and rhetoric. Sadly, every so often, we discover that for some "making it work" means no more than lining their own and their friends' pockets. Last time they were PC's this time they were Liberals. Again the cry goes up, "Where is the Rhinoceros Party when we really need them?"
Frankly, I'd read "cenrist" as a compliment; there's not enough room along either edge of the sword that tries to slice everything into right or left. The real answers for the real people are somewhere in the middle, taking the best from both extremes and making it work.
That was always the Liberals' strong suit, while the conservatives—under all their names—always seemed more interested in theory and rhetoric. Sadly, every so often, we discover that for some "making it work" means no more than lining their own and their friends' pockets. Last time they were PC's this time they were Liberals. Again the cry goes up, "Where is the Rhinoceros Party when we really need them?"
He may not have been have been in Chretian’s inner circle but I have a hard time believing that someone who won such a strong victory at the liberal leadership convention that elected him would not have enough connections in Quebec politics to be kept informed of what was happening. As I said, I may be willing to believe that he was not part of the scandal but I find it hard to believe that would not have been aware of what was going on.ice_dog said:
Latest polls
http://www.thestar.com/static/PDF/050411_fed_vote.pdf
Though we all know how (un)accurate polls can be, it's got to be encouraging of you are a Conservative. The Liberals have dropped like a rock and trail the Conservatives in even Ontario and even Quebec (though the BQ have gained more than the Conservatives there)!
Imagine that. Canada with a PM once referred to as 'Bush. Jr'
Not the polls I've seenbbking said:
http://www.thestar.com/static/PDF/050411_fed_vote.pdf
Though we all know how (un)accurate polls can be, it's got to be encouraging of you are a Conservative. The Liberals have dropped like a rock and trail the Conservatives in even Ontario and even Quebec (though the BQ have gained more than the Conservatives there)!
Imagine that. Canada with a PM once referred to as 'Bush. Jr'
as much as i want to see the liberals
out
bbking may be right
Harper may not be able to win an election
bbking
MARTIN did all those things " to get to the bottom of it"
but he also wrote the cheq.
he has to go
he knew
he was helped by the donations
I do not see how an argument can be made for him
out
bbking may be right
Harper may not be able to win an election
bbking
MARTIN did all those things " to get to the bottom of it"
but he also wrote the cheq.
he has to go
he knew
he was helped by the donations
I do not see how an argument can be made for him
Come on. Maybe if you are thinking about "Toronto-Canadian" views or a liberal-Canadian. It's not like his party is some fringe group that gets 5% of the vote. The Conservatives have 100 or so seats. Obviously there are a good percentage of Canadians out there who do identify with that party. To say that he stands for nothing that is Canadian is a little ridiculous (and pretty narrow minded).bbking said:
It's called PR. Just liked when those pilots who bombed the Canadian soldiers on Afganistan got punished. Or when some army personnel got fired AFTER the Iraqi prison torture scandal got blown wide open. Once you are caught in the open, gotta do you best to smooth it over with the public and get some people below you to take the hit for the best of the group.bbking said:
How does Tom DeLay get into the picture in a thread discussing the implications of Canadian Baathism?
How about naming this so called corruption? I'm waiting to debunk it, go ahead.
How about naming this so called corruption? I'm waiting to debunk it, go ahead.
bbking said:
