Paul Martin was a senior minister for Chretein (some would say that the Finance Minister is the most important minister).james_Mudenka said:It is unfair for Paul Martin to pay for the sins of Jean Chretein.
It is Chretien and his cronies who ought to be punished for the sponsership scandal. Paul Martin had nothing to do with the scandal.
Paul Martin was not even a member of the Chretien govt when the scandal happened.
No need for another election. Lets give the Martin govt a chance.
Yeah, he is from Montreal, but so what ! Martin and Chretian never got along. Martin was fired about three years ago after Chretian accused him of leaking sensitive information to the media. I can't believe he belonged to Chretian's inner circle.someone said:He was from Quebec. It is hard to believe that he would not know what was going on in Quebec politics.
This I agree. The PQ will gain some seats at the expense of the liberal. Not much change other than this. Basically, this eledtion is a waste of money and time. The turnout will be low.The worst thing about the scandal is that it will hurt the cause of federalism in Quebec for years to come. For that damage alone, the liberal party deserves to pay a heavy price. Perhaps, if the rest of Canada shows equal disgust, Quebecers will blame the liberal party rather than Federalists in general. This may be wishful thinking, but I don’t see any other alternative.
Everything you say is true, but has fair ever had the slightest thing to do with politics?james_Mudenka said:It is unfair for Paul Martin to pay for the sins of Jean Chretein.
It is Chretien and his cronies who ought to be punished for the sponsership scandal. Paul Martin had nothing to do with the scandal.
Paul Martin was not even a member of the Chretien govt when the scandal happened.
No need for another election. Lets give the Martin govt a chance.
He may not have been have been in Chretian’s inner circle but I have a hard time believing that someone who won such a strong victory at the liberal leadership convention that elected him would not have enough connections in Quebec politics to be kept informed of what was happening. As I said, I may be willing to believe that he was not part of the scandal but I find it hard to believe that would not have been aware of what was going on.ice_dog said:Yeah, he is from Montreal, but so what ! Martin and Chretian never got along. Martin was fired about three years ago after Chretian accused him of leaking sensitive information to the media. I can't believe he belonged to Chretian's inner circle.
A damning statement on those in Ontario.bbking said:..... Ontario public opinion doesn't seem to be that upset with Martin.....
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Not the polls I've seenbbking said:Recent polling shows the Liberals at exactly at the same point they were on the day of the last election.
Come on. Maybe if you are thinking about "Toronto-Canadian" views or a liberal-Canadian. It's not like his party is some fringe group that gets 5% of the vote. The Conservatives have 100 or so seats. Obviously there are a good percentage of Canadians out there who do identify with that party. To say that he stands for nothing that is Canadian is a little ridiculous (and pretty narrow minded).bbking said:Harper stands for nothing that is Canadian
It's called PR. Just liked when those pilots who bombed the Canadian soldiers on Afganistan got punished. Or when some army personnel got fired AFTER the Iraqi prison torture scandal got blown wide open. Once you are caught in the open, gotta do you best to smooth it over with the public and get some people below you to take the hit for the best of the group.bbking said:As for your foolish statement OTB - you should be reminded that it was Martin that appointed the Comm. with a mandate to get to the bottom no matter where it leads, it was Martin that fired all bureaucrats that where tainted by this scandal, it was Martin that has filed lawsuits to recover the money. Not like the corruption your Republicans under T. Delay who hasn't come to turns that he's a thief.
The one thing that I most dislike about the liberal party is their tendency to claim that anyone who disagrees with them is unCanadian. Who can forget the Free trade debate in that regard.Don said:Come on. Maybe if you are thinking about "Toronto-Canadian" views or a liberal-Canadian. It's not like his party is some fringe group that gets 5% of the vote. The Conservatives have 100 or so seats. Obviously there are a good percentage of Canadians out there who do identify with that party. To say that he stands for nothing that is Canadian is a little ridiculous (and pretty narrow minded).
bbking said:Not like the corruption your Republicans under T. Delay who hasn't come to turns that he's a thief.