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"The psychics were right about the Pope & hopefully will b right about Bush

I read on a thread somewhere that the psychics predicted that the Pope wouldn't live through the month of April and sadly they were right. The Pope will be missed.

The thread also discussed that Bush WOULD NOT BE pResident in the fall and I'M PRAYING that it comes to fruition. (I always pray for Senator Kerry and Senator Edwards that they have a successful impeachment of Hitler) What other thoughts do all of you have?

Waiting for the IMPEACHMENT WHILE THE SCANDALS KEEP UNFOLDING"

Excellent work, libs. Keep it up and who knows, maybe by 2008, you'll have successfully alienated enough swing voters to let good old Jeb to win 75% of the popular vote.
 

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In addition to alienating swing voters, as the Left goes further and further down the spiral of lunacy, more and more of their own numbers will retreat from electoral politics altogether :D The hopeful result of this self-selection process is that the responsible Dems will assume control of the Party by default and build it up into a respectable opposition again.
 

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What else can be expected of the left? After all, it is a movement that lost its major champion and then shortly afterwards its replacement champion - there is nothing left to provide any element of cohesion or logical consistency. Quite naturally it has begun to unravel.

Looking at another thread (on terb), the extreme left believes the following:

  • The US is fascist
  • Freeing Iraq was illegal
  • The US lost the war
  • Iraq = Vietnam
  • The Iraq election did not happen

That is only the tip of the iceberg. I do hope they can keep it up and I pray for the cultivation of ever stronger weed, or whatever it is that scrambles their brains.
 

Peeping Tom

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There are signs that the Democrat's respectable elements (is this a contradiction of terms?) have begun the process of reform. The question is: How many losing electoral cycles will it take?

A point to consider: the left has always been a fairly hegemonous movement. Unlike the Republicans, who can co-exist under a big tent, the Democrats will have to take a firm stand on the extremists - most likely in the form of a purge.
 

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Peeping Tom said:
What else can be expected of the left? After all, it is a movement that lost it major champion and then shortly afterwards its replacement champion
And is now forlorn and lost with no champion at all :D With both the Reds and Bin-Laden out of the running, maybe they'll look to France as the new revolutionary vanguard of the struggle against America and freedom. Or maybe the sociology departments can discover yet another Oppressed Group whose rights are being violated by white male American capitalist imperialist genocide (victory to the Vegetable Liberation Army !!!).

I do hope they can keep it up and I pray for the cultivation of ever stronger weed, or whatever it is that scrambles their brains.
This would be a worthy topic of investigation for the drug abuse research groups. Stress is a major causal factor in drug abuse, and the Left is experiencing quite a bit of that as they transition from elite to ever-increasingly marginal social status- and many illegal drugs induce anxiety and paranoia.
 

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Peeping Tom said:
A point to consider: the left has always been a fairly hegemonous movement. Unlike the Republicans, who can co-exist under a big tent, the Democrats will have to take a firm stand on the extremists - most likely in the form of a purge.

Actually, the opposite is the case. The Republicans stay relentlessly on message (and punish those who deviate from the message), while the Dems have a diversity of viewpoints and sometimes their message becomes muddled.
 

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djk"The psychics were right about the Pope & hopefully will b right about Bush I read on a thread somewhere that the psychics predicted that the Pope wouldn't live through the month of April and sadly they were right. The Pope will be missed. The thread also discussed that Bush WOULD NOT BE pResident in the fall and I'M PRAYING that it comes to fruition. (I always pray for Senator Kerry and Senator Edwards that they have a successful impeachment of Hitler) What other thoughts do all of you have? Waiting for the IMPEACHMENT WHILE THE SCANDALS KEEP UNFOLDING" Excellent work said:
So what? How exactly is subscribing to this nonsense supposed to be representative of the left???? Just because you found one poster that said this? You know, the Reagans believed in astrology, but I don't claim that everyone on the right therefore believes in it.
 

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Peeping Tom said:
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Looking at another thread (on terb), the extreme left believes the following:

  • The US is fascist
  • Freeing Iraq was illegal
  • The US lost the war
  • Iraq = Vietnam
  • The Iraq election did not happen

That is only the tip of the iceberg. I do hope they can keep it up and I pray for the cultivation of ever stronger weed, or whatever it is that scrambles their brains.

And don't forget your own "wonderful" thread from last week, Tom, about how World War 2 was an illegal war on the part of the Allies.
 

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The point I made was concerning type of political member - it has nothing to do with presentation. The Republican philosophy is called the Big Tent, under which sits small government libertarians, fiscal and social conservatives, progressives and the religious element. Such diversity is anathema to the Democrats, where the elites enforce rigid conformity over the subservient sectors.

irlandais9000 said:
Actually, the opposite is the case. The Republicans stay relentlessly on message (and punish those who deviate from the message), while the Dems have a diversity of viewpoints and sometimes their message becomes muddled.
 

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Rigid conformity? I would like to see a roomful of Dems that would agree on every issue. As far as your big tent claim, I wonder what Christine Whitman, James Jeffords et al. think about that.
 

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... where the elites enforce rigid conformity over the subservient sectors.
Are you aware how often you come off sounding like Peter Sellers in "Dr. Strangelove"?
 

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In any country at any time, the Left wing party is always to a greater or lesser extent more absolutist in its party line and more rigid in requiring that the line be towed (consider Marxist-Leninist party organization for an extreme example). The reason is that the party of the Left always presents itself as the party of morality and uncompromising defense of moral and social purity. In North America, this tendency is amplified by the influence of Protestant social activism on the Left; internal dissent occasions crisis, since it smacks of heresy. The party of the Right, by contrast, presents itself as the party of pragamatic men who "get things done in the real world". Willingness to negotiate, to make deals, to be a team player, to disregard the subtleties of doctrine in the name of expediency, all form part of their claim to a superior ability to govern and is incorporated into their self-identity. (The Left, in turn, would denounce this sort of spirit as complacency, opportunism, and corruption).
 

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Kinda off topic but anyone else bothered by Michael Moore using the Pope's death to futher his agenda?

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=2073

Moore doesn't say any praise to the Pope but simply lists the quotes from the Pope that agrees with his point of view. Note that he doesn't list the Pope's quotes that are against his point of view (abortion, birth control, right-to-die, homosexuality, etc). To slam the Pope in the past and then use his death to further your agenda....

Though I shouldn't be surprised by this and his selective use of the Pope's quotes to futher his agenda. This is standard Moore in action just like his movies.

On another side note I realize that I've been defending the Pope a lot lately which I find surprising considering I never though much of the Catholic Church and to be honest I didn't like the Pope for his consevative social stances. I must be getting old. I'm not that young rebellious, anti-everything punk I was in the day :)
 

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Peeping Tom said:
The Republican philosophy is called the Big Tent, under which sits small government libertarians, fiscal and social conservatives, progressives and the religious element.
Even you can't be serious in claming that there is anything fiscally conservative about the current U.S. administration.
 

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bbking said:
The BIG TENT - are you for real? They talk this game but generally in front of Black audiences. In reality the only Tent the GOP has a rather steep admission fee.


bbk
So the fact that many moderate Republicans were given primetime spots at the RNC and Blacks have been appointed to key positions in the administration wouldn't shake you from your dated view of the Republican party?

OTB
 

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Don said:
Kinda off topic but anyone else bothered by Michael Moore using the Pope's death to futher his agenda?

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=2073

Moore doesn't say any praise to the Pope but simply lists the quotes from the Pope that agrees with his point of view. Note that he doesn't list the Pope's quotes that are against his point of view (abortion, birth control, right-to-die, homosexuality, etc). To slam the Pope in the past and then use his death to further your agenda....

Though I shouldn't be surprised by this and his selective use of the Pope's quotes to futher his agenda. This is standard Moore in action just like his movies.

On another side note I realize that I've been defending the Pope a lot lately which I find surprising considering I never though much of the Catholic Church and to be honest I didn't like the Pope for his consevative social stances. I must be getting old. I'm not that young rebellious, anti-everything punk I was in the day :)

He's a pig.

OTB
 

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Don said:
Kinda off topic but anyone else bothered by Michael Moore using the Pope's death to futher his agenda?

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=2073

Moore doesn't say any praise to the Pope but simply lists the quotes from the Pope that agrees with his point of view. Note that he doesn't list the Pope's quotes that are against his point of view (abortion, birth control, right-to-die, homosexuality, etc). To slam the Pope in the past and then use his death to further your agenda....

Though I shouldn't be surprised by this and his selective use of the Pope's quotes to futher his agenda. This is standard Moore in action just like his movies.

On another side note I realize that I've been defending the Pope a lot lately which I find surprising considering I never though much of the Catholic Church and to be honest I didn't like the Pope for his consevative social stances. I must be getting old. I'm not that young rebellious, anti-everything punk I was in the day :)
Isn't this the pot demanding the kettle be mirror bright?
 

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djk said:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3410708

The thread starter:

"The psychics were right about the Pope & hopefully will b right about Bush

I read on a thread somewhere that the psychics predicted that the Pope wouldn't live through the month of April and sadly they were right. The Pope will be missed.

The thread also discussed that Bush WOULD NOT BE pResident in the fall and I'M PRAYING that it comes to fruition. (I always pray for Senator Kerry and Senator Edwards that they have a successful impeachment of Hitler) What other thoughts do all of you have?

Waiting for the IMPEACHMENT WHILE THE SCANDALS KEEP UNFOLDING"

Excellent work, libs. Keep it up and who knows, maybe by 2008, you'll have successfully alienated enough swing voters to let good old Jeb to win 75% of the popular vote.
You can see why Billary is busy running to the right can't you? She's recently come out against a video game (GTA) that has been out 4 years. Imagine the silly posts we'd have to read here if a GOP Senator had come out against GTA.....

OTB
 

Peeping Tom

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And just what are those tendencies? President Bush is a staunch proponent of American Liberty, wants to limit the introduction of socialism and promotes the concept of individual economic independance - the diametrical opposite of fascism. Installing fascism in America would be a tremendous undertaking - one would start by deleting the Constitution - rather, those talking about fascist America simply demonstrate their profound and utter ignorance on how the American system works - it was explicitly designed to prevent such movements from ever taking place.

harleycharley said:
the bush regime has fascist tendancies
The right of declaring war is one of the powers of the executive, which is the POTUS. Congress provides the budgetary appropriation - which it did, furthermore, the removal of the sultan has been Americal law since 1998. One could hardly imagine a more just and legal war - the President obeyed the law and declared war. Now, the extremists of the left believe, in profound ignorance, the US to be subserviant to some mythical supra-State sovereign, from which they derive the claim "illegal". Sadly for them, the US is a sovereign State, bound by its own laws and the consent of the governed.

invading and occupying iraq was illegal
The war was won in 21 days. Many would argue that it was won in the first ten minutes, due to the effective destruction of the sultan's police state apparatus, but limited by the land speed of the convoys racing towards Baghdad. Either way, the capitol fell in 21 days - the most absolute sign of victory.

the u.s. is losing the war - we'll see if it's objectivs are met in the next few years.....
Could ... but has not. Iraq's holdovers of disgruntled Baathists and a small legion of foreign terrorists have had their day and are increasingly joining the list of extinct species. Those making the Vietnam analogy are profoundly ignorant of just what factors made Vietnam a mess. Too bad for them those factors no longer exist.

iraq could become another vietnam.... admittedly this is less likely to happen now the u.s. has put iraqis in the line of fire instead of thsemselves
The election met the standards of an Iraqi government under an occupation based on Iraq's invitation. Even the international left, mainly France and Germany acknowledge this - at this point in time it is too late to do anything else as the time for denial is over. What is next? The creation of Iraq's Constitution and a following general election. What is next for the left? Crying that it is all a sham staged by Haliburton, and that the future Iraqi government is controlled by some Jedi mind tricks employed by President Bush?

the iraq election did not meet international standards for a democractic election - for exmaple they were held while the country was under occupation by a foreign power
 
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