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What will the US do with all the military capacities, the thousands of nuclear warheads, the ICBMs, the carrier groups? I think China will go democratic in 15-20 years, so will the Saudi. Middle east will be less of a problem for the US in 20 years.
 

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What if all men could embrace their brother?

And what if no religion (cult) were to preach hate and preach only love?

Peace comes from prosparity and never from servitude. So if all were free peace might follow that freedom.
 
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A democracy is when 2 wolves and a sheep vote on what's for lunch.
 

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*d* said:
A democracy is when 2 wolves and a sheep vote on what's for lunch.
Thank you Comrad Hillery
 

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It's way too early to proclaim the end of history. Many countries where democratic values are underdeveloped will go through the stage of Fascism first (China almost certainly among them), or regress back into it (as is seemingly the case in Venezuela right now).

As a matter of policy, the State should not turn democracy into a fetish. In particular, it can be disastrous to prematurely relax social controls in places where there exist irrational popular movements led by charismatic Hercules figures. Look at what happened to Weimar Germany. Additionally, the State should adopt a policy of pre-emptive execution of demagogues before they're in any position to heroically lead their people off a cliff and plunge the world into war.
 

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bbking said:
Pu-lease *d* is so far to the left he's actually meeting the same fools on the right.


bbk
*d* said:
A democracy is when 2 wolves and a sheep vote on what's for lunch.
And a republic is when a well armed sheep contests the vote.
 
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What if all men could embrace their brother?
And what if no religion (cult) were to preach hate and preach only love?
Peace comes from prosparity and never from servitude. So if all were free peace might follow that freedom.
what if there was no countries?
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
 

enjoyall

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No countries?

For there be no individual countries, the world will have to use up its nuclear warheads. Human are too self-centered to let go one of the identity we treasure(or disdain) most, our nationality and thus, citizenship.
 

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uneducated mass can be a mess?

Truncador said:
It's way too early to proclaim the end of history. Many countries where democratic values are underdeveloped will go through the stage of Fascism first (China almost certainly among them), or regress back into it (as is seemingly the case in Venezuela right now).

As a matter of policy, the State should not turn democracy into a fetish. In particular, it can be disastrous to prematurely relax social controls in places where there exist irrational popular movements led by charismatic Hercules figures. Look at what happened to Weimar Germany. Additionally, the State should adopt a policy of pre-emptive execution of demagogues before they're in any position to heroically lead their people off a cliff and plunge the world into war.

Ironically, governments in poor undemocratic countries have always pointed to the US and the west of their mass number of uneducated citizens as the reason their countries cannot adopt democratic values. In China's case, the government, and much of the general public believe the country will lose stability if it were to become democratic. That's why it has adopted economic reform at fast pace, yet lagged in political reform.
 

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feminista said:
what if there was no countries?
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too

Reason I did not quote Lenon is I do not suscribe to the abolisment of religion. Seems Lennon is the right name.
 

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Truncador said:
Additionally, the State should adopt a policy of pre-emptive execution of demagogues before they're in any position to heroically lead their people off a cliff and plunge the world into war.

Very amusing, in light of your support of a demagogue, and your earlier post stating that people need to be lied to about the reasons for war.
 

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irlandais9000 said:
Very amusing, in light of your support of a demagogue, and your earlier post stating that people need to be lied to about the reasons for war.
Pres. Bush is about as far away from a demagogue as could be. He has absolutely no charisma, never rants, and doesn't even seem to like speaking in public (and isn't very good at it). He doesn't swagger and boast about what a heroic tough guy he is; he doesn't make women faint and men swear to follow him unto death. He is the very image of a sober, serious administrator and Statesman, the type of leader that's appointed by a mature, self-confident electorate that isn't looking for a Superman to swoop down and rescue it from Evil.

Proof of this is last week's Schiavo case- as though any real demagogue would have missed the chance to prove his heroism and prowess by using a grand display of State power (preferably involving as much dramatic armed force as possible- Federal stormtroopers occupying the hospital sounds about right) to rescue a helpless woman from the depredations of bleeding-heart judges and other such cowards and eggheads (to put it as a demagogue would).
 

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irlandais9000 said:
Very amusing, in light of your support of a demagogue, and your earlier post stating that people need to be lied to about the reasons for war.
That's actually one of the things I like about the song.
 

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He is the very image of a sober, serious administrator and Statesman, the type of leader that's appointed by a mature, self-confident electorate that isn't looking for a Superman to swoop down and rescue it from Evil.
That's funny. You have a good sense of humour.
 

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Truncador said:
Pres. Bush is about as far away from a demagogue as could be. He has absolutely no charisma, never rants, and doesn't even seem to like speaking in public (and isn't very good at it). He doesn't swagger and boast about what a heroic tough guy he is; he doesn't make women faint and men swear to follow him unto death. He is the very image of a sober, serious administrator and Statesman, the type of leader that's appointed by a mature, self-confident electorate that isn't looking for a Superman to swoop down and rescue it from Evil.
On the contrary, Bush does indeed have charisma - in the "aww shucks" kind of way, pretending that he is a regular guy. As far as sober and serious, I don't know about that, reckless and arrogant would be my choice of words.
 

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irlandais9000 said:
On the contrary, Bush does indeed have charisma - in the "aww shucks" kind of way, pretending that he is a regular guy.
I agree that it's a calculated image- but the image is very different from that of, say, Castro, Hitler, or Mussolini. The whole idea of charisma- at least, the type specifically associated with Fascism and demagogy in general- is about trying to come across as something that the regular guy can't be, as having that special spark of something that makes one superior to the average person. "Aww, shucks" is not the type of posture associated with that particular kind of leader.

As far as sober and serious, I don't know about that, reckless and arrogant would be my choice of words.
Whatever you may think of his actions, in his public presentation and image he does try to come across as sober and serious.
 

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In the eyes of the right wing conservatives, Bush is a lot more charismatic than someone that is good looking and smoothing talking. It is the ideas that hold the appeal.
 

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A liberal friend remarked last night that Senate Democrats were consulting with members of the College of Cardinals on the fine points of conducting a filibuster.
 

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bbking said:
While my politics are just left on center, during the last election I had to ask myself, "If I had a dinner party, who would I rather have at that party - Kerry or Bush" ...and unfortunately I would have to say Bush. While his down home West Texas charm is well polished he certainly wouldn't bore me to tears like Kerry would.

As for reckless and arrogant - well on the arrogant side so was Kerry and for that matter any polititian at that level. Reckless - nah not a chance, reckless polititians go up in flames long before the WH - I think we on the left see him as reckless only because we don't agree with him.



bbk
Spot on!

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