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Scott Ritter predicts US strikes Iran 5/05

Mcluhan

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Don said:
Who is Scott Ritter?
From the link I posted: " Scott Ritter is the former UN Chief Weapons Inspector in Iraq, 1991-1998 and author of Iraq Confidential: The Untold Story of America's Intelligence Conspiracy, published by IB."

RITTER: July 17, 2002 I believe Washington D.C. is using the concept of inspections as a political foil to justify war. America doesn't want to inspectors to return. The best way to stop war is to get the inspectors back in. I believe it should be the policy of the United Nations to get the inspectors back in.


or.. Scott Ritter is an anachronism, a Boy Scout. One of the very few(maybe the only) American public servants that consistently had the guts to stand tall in front of that nation’s media and tell the truth about WMD. And he never backed down. Which probably explains why he is now writing for Aljazerra.

Time to buy oil futures...
 

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We will see if he is right or not. He has about 5 minutes left in this 15 minutes, and he only got that because he is with a non reliable news source.

Funny how the very same people that say the USA has over extended itself militarily, now harping about an Iran invasion???Go figure.

Most be a slow news cycle at AJ
 

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langeweile said:
Funny how the very same people that say the USA has over extended itself militarily, now harping about an Iran invasion???Go figure.
Did you even read the article? Guess not or you'd know that it set a deadline date to resolve the Iraq occupation so that focus could be shifted to Iran for an air strike.

Yes, the US is overextended at the moment. And, yes, the article addressed that issue in making its point.

I used to think attacking Iran was a pipedream. Then I took a look at a map of the Middle East and noted how the US has surrounded Iran with allied nations or US military bases. Would I consider invading with ground troops? Hell no. Would I consider bombing the daylights out of Iran's nuclear program (if I was the US, that is), hell yes.
 

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I've got 5 bucks that says we don't invade Iran in 2005!

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No F'in way US attacks Iran in a month!

Bush ain't the sharpest tool in the box but he ain't THAT DUMB.

If he is, then I come on this board and gladly admit I was wrong. But i doubt I'll need to do that.
 

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US have no stomach for fight with Iran. US have to deal with Iran on equal basis and let its people remove the mullahs.
 
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onthebottom said:
I've got 5 bucks that says we don't invade Iran in 2005!

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Yes, technically Ritter predicted "strikes", not a full scale invasion.

Still, I won't take your bet. I think that given that the situation in Iraq - what with its elected non-government and all - is looking increasingly tenuous, any move against Iran would be somewhat unadvisable...
 

Mcluhan

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Drunken Master said:
Yes, technically Ritter predicted "strikes", not a full scale invasion.

Still, I won't take your bet. I think that given that the situation in Iraq - what with its elected non-government and all - is looking increasingly tenuous, any move against Iran would be somewhat unadvisable...
DM, with respect, I submit that there is no value in judging that Administration’s intent by either a common ethical or even rational standard. They have an agenda which is fully unchecked by their own media and even less so by a hapless constituency. It’s a pure corporate agenda unplugged.

What appears to be almost a prediction from Ritter is interesting though because at least 'he' has the credibility of a Boy Scout, and one 'in the know' at that..five-dollar-opinions notwithstanding.
 
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Mcluhan said:
DM, with respect, I submit that there is no value in judging that Administration’s intent by either a common ethical or even rational standard.
Can't disagree with that. It's more or less gut feeling I have that no matter how efficient this admin. was in conning the public into a war in Iraq, they simply won't have the stomach for another one so soon...but I could be wrong.
 

Mcluhan

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Drunken Master said:
Can't disagree with that. It's more or less gut feeling I have that no matter how efficient this admin. was in conning the public into a war in Iraq, they simply won't have the stomach for another one so soon...but I could be wrong.
Now that can of worms sits on the shelf, staring down at we two geniuses, begging to split open by a felling axe... just a moment pls while I dull the blade..
 

Mcluhan

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As any good builder knows, the foundation is the most important part of the construction. So let’s pour some footings. First DM, “truth” as an element no longer has a consequence in the land of the Free and the Brave. Newton’s third law, as it applies to the fabric of honesty has been neutralized. Nullified. Are we in agreement so far?
 

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Why the hell would the U.S. want to invade Iran? It would only result in more worldwide ridicule of America and its so called military might. With the exception of Grenada has the U.S. ever succesfully invaded any country. For a country that prides itself on its military might Grenada certainly isn't something I would want to brag about.
 
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Mcluhan said:
As any good builder knows, the foundation is the most important part of the construction. So let’s pour some footings. First DM, “truth” as an element no longer has a consequence in the land of the Free and the Brave. Newton’s third law, as it applies to the fabric of honesty has been neutralized. Nullified. Are we in agreement so far?
No, I have to dissent. No power, of whatever strength, has really even been able to convince its populace of the value of Permanent War. (This put me in mind of how deeply similar the ideas of the neo-cons are to Trosky's - the revolutionary vanguard in a state of permanent war with the enemy...) There will come a moment of exhaustion with the prospect of another invasion and occupation that not even the tergiversation of the current powers that be could white wash.
 

Mcluhan

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No, I have to dissent. No power, of whatever strength, has really even been able to convince its populace of the value of Permanent War. (This put me in mind of how deeply similar the ideas of the neo-cons are to Trosky's - the revolutionary vanguard in a state of permanent war with the enemy...) There will come a moment of exhaustion with the prospect of another invasion and occupation that not even the tergiversation of the current powers that be could white wash.
Ah yes, Trotsky’s permanent revolution. There is probably a more clear connection to the British Empire which spanned 300 years and was in a state of perpetual war revolving through 24 time zones. Don’t you think? How long does a war culture run before the question of permanence is irrelevant? The issue I was targeting was ‘truth’. There is a disconnect between “the truth” and the consequence of a government’s actions in this case. There are little voices like the Boy Scout, but they are no match for giant media noise and corporate propaganda which roll over them with distraction and perpetual confusion. When a leadership is no longer held responsible for the truth, the society is off its moorings, floating free with the tide. In the case of this metaphor, the tide is corporate lust for power, not even national but international in most cases. The East India Company would be a better historical case in point.
 
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Mcluhan said:
Ah yes, Trotsky’s permanent revolution. There is probably a more clear connection to the British Empire which spanned 300 years and was in a state of perpetual war revolving through 24 time zones. Don’t you think? How long does a war culture run before the question of permanence is irrelevant? The issue I was targeting was ‘truth’. There is a disconnect between “the truth” and the consequence of a government’s actions in this case. There are little voices like the Boy Scout, but they are no match for giant media noise and corporate propaganda which roll over them with distraction and perpetual confusion. When a leadership is no longer held responsible for the truth, the society is off its moorings, floating free with the tide. In the case of this metaphor, the tide is corporate lust for power, not even national but international in most cases. The East India Company would be a better historical case in point.
Yes, I won't disagree with any of this. It's also telling how often the British Empire's corporate proxies - the East India Company being only the most famous - dragged the Empire into brutal war after brutal war.

I was reading recently on Daily Kos a story about a young Hispanic employee of Haliburton, working in Iraq, who claimed to have had the shit beaten out of him by fellow employees, calling themselves The Redneck Mafia. This group apparently weilds a sizeable amount of unchecked power over Haliburton's operations. One wonders what stories will emerge in the future - might make the history of the involvement of American fruit companies in Latin America look like child's play...
 

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Fatume said:
Why the hell would the U.S. want to invade Iran? It would only result in more worldwide ridicule of America and its so called military might. With the exception of Grenada has the U.S. ever succesfully invaded any country. For a country that prides itself on its military might Grenada certainly isn't something I would want to brag about.
Since when does Bush care what the world thinks?

Regarding your second question, actually, yes, we have successfully invaded a few countries, World War 2 in Europe being a notable example.
 
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