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http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/EdmontonSun/News/2005/03/27/973569-sun.html



OTTAWA -- A group of MPs studying Canada's prostitution laws is seeking $200,000 in federal funds to visit European cities with red-light zones and legal brothels. The five-member justice subcommittee plans to visit Britain, the Netherlands and Sweden. Reno, Nevada, is also on the destination list.

"We want to go to Sweden because they have a particular model there where they decriminalize the sex worker, or the prostitute, and they still criminalize the customers," said NDP MP Libby Davies.

"In the U.K. they actually allow women to work out of their own homes. The Netherlands, of course, is a well-known situation where they have a fully operating area for the sex trade, and I think we're very interested to see what the impact of that is from various perspectives."

John Carpay, Alberta director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, is skeptical MPs will see a measurable research benefit from visiting brothels and red-light districts.

"The onus would have to be on them to show why it's vital to visit those places in person," Carpay said. "There's a lot of research and a lot of literature available that the MPs' staff and the library of Parliament staff can make available."

More importantly, there's no guarantee a visit will give a more accurate picture of what goes on in a red-light district or brothel - especially behind the scenes, Carpay said.

Nevada is the only state in the U.S. to have legalized prostitution, permitted only in licensed brothels. According to the group's $56,526 travel budget request, the Reno-area bawdy houses have endured sharp criticism for the conditions under which sex workers are forced to operate.

MPs would benefit from visiting these areas and meeting with law-enforcement agencies, counsellors and brothel owners, the budget-request document states.

The $143,678 travel-budget request for Liverpool, Amsterdam, Utrecht and Stockholm includes $62,840 for transportation, $25,328 for accommodation, $12,000 for food and $43,500 for items like interpretation, official gifts and fees. The travelling party includes three staff members.

The trip by Davies, Conservative MP Art Hanger, Bloc Quebecois MP Paule Brunelle and Liberals John Maloney and Hedy Fry was approved by the justice committee Thursday, but must still clear another Commons budgetary committee.

Justice committee chairman Paul DeVillers said there's value in learning from the experience of other countries.

"I think it will be of value for the subcommittee to go and speak to people in those countries that have different regimes and get a sense of which is the best way to go," DeVillers said.

Prime Minister Paul Martin has said he's not interested in legal reforms. But DeVillers said the goal is to improve safety for sex- trade workers and insisted there are many measures that can be done that fall short of legalization.

Davies said she was "sickened" that Martin ducked for cover on the controversial issue.

"He's got to face the reality that women are disappearing off our streets and they're being murdered," she said. "I felt really insulted that he would give this knee-jerk reaction."
 

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"43,500 for interpretation, gifts and fees"


wow at 200 per hour for the three of them- thats 72 sessions each. I may run in the next federal election
 

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On a more serious note, it's extremely disconcerting to see government taking an interest in this subject at all; just because it looks like an excuse to spend some money doesn't mean that the State can't or won't royally fuck up the field of sex work in Canada if it so decides. Bear in mind that both the radical Left and the religious Right agree that sex work is extremely dangerous and immoral, and must be either prohibited or regulated to death. The deal we have right now, particularly with respect to escorting, is about as good as can be realistically hoped for, and moreover sticks out of the spiderweb of government red-tape and punishment that every other aspect of Canadian life is caught up in like a sore thumb. This means that the State can be counted on to bring it into line just as soon as they notice that fact. Look at what happened to the shooting sports in Canada when elites discovered you can actually buy guns here...


"We want to go to Sweden because they have a particular model there where they decriminalize the sex worker, or the prostitute, and they still criminalize the customers," said NDP MP Libby Davies.
I don't like the sound of this at all :(
 

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Homer07 said:
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/EdmontonSun/News/2005/03/27/973569-sun.html



OTTAWA -- A group of MPs studying Canada's prostitution laws is seeking $200,000 in federal funds to visit European cities with red-light zones and legal brothels. The five-member justice subcommittee plans to visit Britain, the Netherlands and Sweden. Reno, Nevada, is also on the destination list.

"We want to go to Sweden because they have a particular model there where they decriminalize the sex worker, or the prostitute, and they still criminalize the customers," said NDP MP Libby Davies.

"In the U.K. they actually allow women to work out of their own homes. The Netherlands, of course, is a well-known situation where they have a fully operating area for the sex trade, and I think we're very interested to see what the impact of that is from various perspectives."

John Carpay, Alberta director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, is skeptical MPs will see a measurable research benefit from visiting brothels and red-light districts.

"The onus would have to be on them to show why it's vital to visit those places in person," Carpay said. "There's a lot of research and a lot of literature available that the MPs' staff and the library of Parliament staff can make available."

More importantly, there's no guarantee a visit will give a more accurate picture of what goes on in a red-light district or brothel - especially behind the scenes, Carpay said.

Nevada is the only state in the U.S. to have legalized prostitution, permitted only in licensed brothels. According to the group's $56,526 travel budget request, the Reno-area bawdy houses have endured sharp criticism for the conditions under which sex workers are forced to operate.

MPs would benefit from visiting these areas and meeting with law-enforcement agencies, counsellors and brothel owners, the budget-request document states.

The $143,678 travel-budget request for Liverpool, Amsterdam, Utrecht and Stockholm includes $62,840 for transportation, $25,328 for accommodation, $12,000 for food and $43,500 for items like interpretation, official gifts and fees. The travelling party includes three staff members.

The trip by Davies, Conservative MP Art Hanger, Bloc Quebecois MP Paule Brunelle and Liberals John Maloney and Hedy Fry was approved by the justice committee Thursday, but must still clear another Commons budgetary committee.

Justice committee chairman Paul DeVillers said there's value in learning from the experience of other countries.

"I think it will be of value for the subcommittee to go and speak to people in those countries that have different regimes and get a sense of which is the best way to go," DeVillers said.

Prime Minister Paul Martin has said he's not interested in legal reforms. But DeVillers said the goal is to improve safety for sex- trade workers and insisted there are many measures that can be done that fall short of legalization.

Davies said she was "sickened" that Martin ducked for cover on the controversial issue.

"He's got to face the reality that women are disappearing off our streets and they're being murdered," she said. "I felt really insulted that he would give this knee-jerk reaction."
Translation ( Canadian Politicians need us to give them money cause they heard euro ladies are hot in bed)
 

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The trip was not approved, and they were not going there to "hobby". Three of the five members of the committee are women, and one of the men, Art Hanger, said he would not go anyway.

You'll notice they don't mention any possibility of looking at decriminalization in Australia and New Zealand, which are far more relevant examples for Canada.

Re Sweden:
Truncador said:
I don't like the sound of this at all :(
None of us on this board, particularly the women should like the sound of it. It hasn't stopped it, the way some of the anti-sex trade feminists and bible thumpers claim, it's just been driven more underground and made it more dangerous.
http://www.petraostergren.com/english/studier.magister.asp
http://www.bayswan.org/swed/rosswed.html

For those who want a Conservative majority, imagine this: Minister of Justice Art Hanger.
http://arthanger.ca/newsarchive/na20050412NationalPost.htm
Prostitution is unlike any other occupation. The stigma attached to it is there because it will never be legitimate work.

"Legitimate" is the key word here. Some advocates want to legitimize prostitution because they believe it would empower women -- but there is nothing either legitimate or empowering about selling your body for money.

We cannot make prostitution safe. Like any illegitimate activity, it occurs in a murky marketplace where some clients are substance abusers, serial rapists and even murderers. Prostitution promotes the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, and no precautions or liberal fantasies can eradicate that health threat. Making prostitution "safe" is based on the ludicrous assumption that poison is less hazardous if dispensed by liberals...

...This is a moral issue. Vice involves danger. The choice to embrace vice is a dangerous one. Prostitutes are killed by their clients because some of their clients are scum... Criminals die committing crimes because crime is dangerous.

Yet liberals want to make sin safe. They promote a culture of death when we should be promoting a culture of life. They want to give people the maximum flexibility to commit their dangerous vices in a safe zone...

...it is a recipe for the moral and economic collapse of the country.
 

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Art Hanger said:
:rolleyes:

This guy isn't fit to govern.

Art Hanger said:
Making prostitution "safe" is based on the ludicrous assumption that poison is less hazardous if dispensed by liberals. This is the same twisted mentality behind "harm reduction" for drug addicts. In Vancouver, addicts are not impeded from killing themselves and are free to shoot up at a "safe" injection site, although heroin is anything but safe. In Winnipeg and Ottawa, a "safe" crack program enables addicts to smoke the most addictive drug on the streets -- but with clean pipes.
As retarded as this clown is, he does have a point re: "harm reduction". Applied to sex work, this paternalistic notion would mean having the hygienists and social workers of the State sanitize the life out of sex work, wrapping it so tightly in regulatory red tape and mandatory triple-reinforced full-body hazmat condoms that it would revert to the underground anyways- leaving the taxpayer stuck with the bill for two levels of enforcement, one regulatory, the other criminal. I'd much rather have it criminalized altogether (since anything other than mechanical sex in a haz-mat suit in a State brothel- no DATY no BBJ no kiss no GFE- with security cameras in the rooms and a vice tax of several thousand per cent tacked onto the price would be illegal anyways).
 

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The Art Hanger thing in The National Post about the trip to Europe not being approved was on April 12, but the subcommittee is still hearing witnesses in Ottawa. Hearing, but apparently not listening to the sex workers they specifically asked to come forward, if all they're willing to consider is either prohibition or more useless over-regulation.

More from Art Hanger
This is from late March, when the subcommittee was in Vancouver for two days.
http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_sex-trade20050329
While several of the MPs on the committee favour decriminalization of prostitution, at least one of them does not. Calgary Conservative MP Art Hanger, a former police officer, calls the concept utter nonsense.
"So what does that mean? That all of a sudden, they become professional people? That they be looked upon no differently than a dentist, or a lawyer, or a police officer?"
What does he consider them to be now - low life scum who deserve to be murdered?

At least Libby Davies has acknowledged that escorts make up the vast majority of the business in Canada, something most politicians and police either don't know or pretend not to know.
 
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With National Health Care now and National Child care on the way, how far off can National Brothels be? These would be staffed by Public Sector Union employees, those with sonority would have preference - of course private brothels would have to be shut down to ensure the entire country has the same access to sex with unattractive women......

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onthebottom said:
With National Health Care now and National Child care on the way, how far off can National Brothels be? These would be staffed by Public Sector Union employees, those with sonority would have preference - of course private brothels would have to be shut down to ensure the entire country has the same access to sex with unattractive women......

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I wonder if they would enforce affirmative action on this.
 

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bbking said:
A little over the top are we here. If I recall you guys have some very legal brothels in the good ole US of A - home of the brave and the overly religous. BTW I think the feds and the state takes a good chunk of the revenues for themselves and call it taxes - hell your own US Government was forced to run a brothel to pay back taxes. So save the holier than thou crap for something that actually is important.


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That would be in parts of Nevada.
 

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langeweile said:
I wonder if they would enforce affirmative action on this.
I'm just imagining the women that work the DMV here....... not a pretty picture.

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bbking said:
A little over the top are we here. If I recall you guys have some very legal brothels in the good ole US of A - home of the brave and the overly religous. BTW I think the feds and the state takes a good chunk of the revenues for themselves and call it taxes - hell your own US Government was forced to run a brothel to pay back taxes. So save the holier than thou crap for something that actually is important.


bbk
:rolleyes: You've become completely humorless.

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bbking said:
Humor at the expense of others is not always funny. Don't worry I get like this at every Canadian election or when I try to quit smoking and right now I'm dealing with both. :D


bbk
Your party has been in power too long, they're obviously crooks and need a bit of reforming. Given the nanny state tendencies of Canada if they loose power they won't be out of power long.

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