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WoodPeckr

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We are in dark times. Five years of economic bloodshed and three of brutal warmongering and the worst environmental president in American history and you simply cannot deny that as the ruthless American agenda goes, so goes the populace, so goes the collective attitude, the shared vibration, the health of the planet and the feeling that this particular karmic sinkhole has no known bottom.

In other words, it is all connected. It is all of a piece. There is a direct correlation between the violent and heartless tone and attitude of our country and the mental and spiritual health of its people and by way of comparison just look at the Clinton era, which brought eight years of unprecedented prosperity and peace and a nearly balanced budget and high economic flush.

There was, we forget, a decided lack of sexual anxiety and uptight moral rigidity in the nation, minimal pseudo-religious puling from the uptight Right and much moderate lawmaking and I don't care a whit for what you say about the man's personal moral compass -- under Clinton, America had deeply supportive allies, intelligent foreign policy, more genuine concern for the planet and the health of our forests and oceans and air, and we had a president who was incredibly articulate and deeply intelligent and greatly beloved the world over and the nation enjoyed one of its most prosperous and nondivisive and peaceful periods in its history.

And now, the exact opposite. Everywhere you look, the culture is fractured and divisive and mean. Everywhere you look it's war and pollution and more toxins, red versus blue, good versus evil, more garbage and less concern where to shove it, fewer restrictions on industrial polluters and fewer controls on corporate abuse and an administration that has so shamelessly leveraged the worst tragedy in American history, 9/11, to further its brutal and hawkish right-wing agenda it would embarrass Mussolini.

The sad fact is, there are a great many among us who believe we have entered into a new Dark Age, that it will be a long and brutal slog indeed and BushCo is merely the precursor, the devil's handmaiden, and that we have a long way to go into the bleak and the bloody and the environmentally devastating before the pendulum begins its slow swing back toward the light.

Just look around. No one anywhere, not priests, not nuns, not healers or mystics, not Christians, not pagans, not Repubs or Demos or Libertarians, no one anywhere in this country is saying, hey, doesn't it feel like we're entering into a new era of health and healing and positivism and spiritual rebirth? Aren't our schools just teeming anew with eager students who seem to be getting smarter and more articulate? Isn't the air getting cleaner and aren't we proud of our government for protecting the health of future generations by pushing for more natural foods and signing on to the Kyoto Treaty and advocating antitoxin regulations and by protecting our forests and improving school textbooks and revolutionizing the hideous national health care system?

Doesn't that tone of enthusiasm and hope sound just completely silly, wrong, out of place, like so much Prozac-grade bulls--? Damn right it does.

There's a reason for that. We are not headed for light with the Bush/Cheney Co. Not yet, anyway. The coming years are not going to be about friendship and repaired foreign relations and a sense of our shared humanity, about equality and sexual freedom and a renewed sense of human rights. To believe this is to believe in fairy tales almost as insidious and hopeless as evangelical Christians who are right now stuffing themselves with Cheez-Its and pink wine and praying for Armageddon.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
To believe this is to believe in fairy tales almost as insidious and hopeless as evangelical Christians who are right now stuffing themselves with Cheez-Its and pink wine and praying for Armageddon.
I agree. Once we start mixing Cheez-Its with pink wine the end can't be far off.
 

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You forgot to mention that children no longer respect their elders, beer no longer tastes as good, they don't make [x] like they used to, and popular music is crazy :rolleyes:

Isn't this sort of uber-reactionary, hell-in-a-bucket Jeremiad really supposed to be for crazy old men and stodgy English country squires ?
 

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The problem with libs is they expect to world will agree.
 

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As usual, the most perceptive opposing points are the first expressed. This is what makes these debates on America's political present and future so stimulating: the civilized and thoughtful expression of sincerely held beliefs in a way that respects the other side. Truly an example of the benefits America's ideals of free speach, free thought and democracy promise the world.
 

Don

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Winston - give it a rest, will ya? The other irony is that your post underlines our quasi-sarcastic points even more - that sometimes we get tired of all the wordy, preachy, attitude filled posts about the state of America. Especially a long cut and past job that WoodPecker tends to do. It gets old. Then you come in with the same preachy condesending tone with your post. We've heard it all before, and usually from the same people over and over.

If you think we are so much smarter about world affairs then I don't know where you get your info. I hardly consider the "average" Canadian mental giants either. Just walk around Toronto. Yeah we can say we're a bit better than the "average" American - wow that is something to pat ourselves on the back for. :rolleyes:
 

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The irony, is that the responses from the peanut gallery do nothing more than to underline the points made in the original post.
Actually, I agree with some of WoodPeckr's points. It's his over the top rhetoric I find hard to take seriously. The current US military policy would embarrass even Mussolini? Please.
 

Don

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Same here. I'm no fan of Bush and was disappointed with the outcome last November. But like Asterix said, it's the rhetoric that gets tiresome.

Whatever. People are free to post what they want. Like I'm free to post my sarcastic replies. I just wanted people to relax.
 

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Winston said:
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In American politics, civil discourse is a thing of the past. Respecting, but disagreeing, with the "opposition" is no longer done. If you don't buy into the reigning theocracy, then you are anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-business and obviously harbour pro-terrorism leanings.

Despite the American war in the Middle East, the "average" American knows less about things beyond the borders, than they did 25 years ago. The military has ensured that there is no access to the "front", as there was in Vietnam, not that the population gives a shit.
I agree, I also would like to add that IMO the current state of American politic is nothing but as corroded as the politic & politicians could get (in terms of both political parties.) I doubt we will see any serious movements as we have once seen in the past that embraced & encouraged the advancement in civil liberty, Social justice & labor laws
 
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K Douglas

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Its not just America that is divided, it seems to be a global phenomenon. Europe is divided between Old Europe (France,Germany) and new Europe (Slovakia,Czech Republic,Turkey). Just look at the recent election in Ukraine as a prime example of division pro russian vs pro west. Lebanon is divided - pro Syria and anti Syria. I don't know why you blame Bush for this divisiveness, its been brewing for decades but is now becoming transparent. I blame the failure of the UN more than anything. While the general assembly has been focused on passing resolution after resolution condemning Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered in Africa, Iran and North Korea have been building up nuclear stockpiles, India and Pakistan have been at each others throats, terrorists have been running unabated through the Middle East, Asia and Europe, corruption hasn't been checked and China continues to violate human rights on a wide scale. Bush has finally said the hell with that we have to protect our interests, with safety being first and foremost. For the most part I applaud him on his efforts.
 

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I say it again: if your view of the world comes from TV news, of course it will look polarized, and divided. If a one minute segment—and that's hopelessly long these days— even bothers to attempt to show more than a single point of view, it can only hope to give a dumbed-down précis of either side i.e. just the hot buttons. And what kinda hot video are you gonna get from a calm compromiser looking for the middle ground? "Aghh! talking heads" Zap.

So it starts to look like there are no such people, and that slowly ensures that there will be none, because no one can actually listen or read. Look what passes for debate here. The best thing we could all do for world peace, progress, world anything is never ever watch TV news again.

Television journalism, right up there with military intelligence as the archetypal oxymoron.

"And this is the newsroom, where we spin gold into straw"—TV news executive, app 1960s
 

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WoodPeckr said:
In other words, it is all connected. It is all of a piece. There is a direct correlation between the violent and heartless tone and attitude of our country and the mental and spiritual health of its people and by way of comparison just look at the Clinton era, which brought eight years of unprecedented prosperity and peace and a nearly balanced budget and high economic flush.
Economic prosperity under Clinton???? You talk about people not knowing whats going on?
Have you forgotten that the "boom" under Clinton was largely based on the "high tech bubble". Which quickly deterioated about 6 month before he left office?
All those jobs created under his watch where merely "minimum wage jobs" created in the service sector, mostly related to high tech?
Boy are you naive....
The surplus (one of my favorite topics) was a budgetary projection based on the assumption, that alot of the "high tech bubble" was to continue.
Well we all know what happened? If you don't, than i suggest that you look at one of your own case studies....called Nortel. A prime example of the reality of the boom of the 90's.
 

langeweile

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WoodPeckr said:
We are in dark times. Five years of economic bloodshed and three of brutal warmongering and the worst environmental president in American history and you simply cannot deny that as the ruthless American agenda goes, so goes the populace, so goes the collective attitude, the shared vibration, the health of the planet and the feeling that this particular karmic sinkhole has no known bottom.

In other words, it is all connected. It is all of a piece. There is a direct correlation between the violent and heartless tone and attitude of our country and the mental and spiritual health of its people and by way of comparison just look at the Clinton era, which brought eight years of unprecedented prosperity and peace and a nearly balanced budget and high economic flush.

There was, we forget, a decided lack of sexual anxiety and uptight moral rigidity in the nation, minimal pseudo-religious puling from the uptight Right and much moderate lawmaking and I don't care a whit for what you say about the man's personal moral compass -- under Clinton, America had deeply supportive allies, intelligent foreign policy, more genuine concern for the planet and the health of our forests and oceans and air, and we had a president who was incredibly articulate and deeply intelligent and greatly beloved the world over and the nation enjoyed one of its most prosperous and nondivisive and peaceful periods in its history.

And now, the exact opposite. Everywhere you look, the culture is fractured and divisive and mean. Everywhere you look it's war and pollution and more toxins, red versus blue, good versus evil, more garbage and less concern where to shove it, fewer restrictions on industrial polluters and fewer controls on corporate abuse and an administration that has so shamelessly leveraged the worst tragedy in American history, 9/11, to further its brutal and hawkish right-wing agenda it would embarrass Mussolini.

The sad fact is, there are a great many among us who believe we have entered into a new Dark Age, that it will be a long and brutal slog indeed and BushCo is merely the precursor, the devil's handmaiden, and that we have a long way to go into the bleak and the bloody and the environmentally devastating before the pendulum begins its slow swing back toward the light.

Just look around. No one anywhere, not priests, not nuns, not healers or mystics, not Christians, not pagans, not Repubs or Demos or Libertarians, no one anywhere in this country is saying, hey, doesn't it feel like we're entering into a new era of health and healing and positivism and spiritual rebirth? Aren't our schools just teeming anew with eager students who seem to be getting smarter and more articulate? Isn't the air getting cleaner and aren't we proud of our government for protecting the health of future generations by pushing for more natural foods and signing on to the Kyoto Treaty and advocating antitoxin regulations and by protecting our forests and improving school textbooks and revolutionizing the hideous national health care system?

Doesn't that tone of enthusiasm and hope sound just completely silly, wrong, out of place, like so much Prozac-grade bulls--? Damn right it does.

There's a reason for that. We are not headed for light with the Bush/Cheney Co. Not yet, anyway. The coming years are not going to be about friendship and repaired foreign relations and a sense of our shared humanity, about equality and sexual freedom and a renewed sense of human rights. To believe this is to believe in fairy tales almost as insidious and hopeless as evangelical Christians who are right now stuffing themselves with Cheez-Its and pink wine and praying for Armageddon.
I am not sure I have ever read more of a "doomsday" scenario than yours. Unfortunately you ignore the reality, that in 3.5 years the USA could go in to a complete different direction, due to a little thing, called " TERM LIMIT".

Either way, looking around in the rest of the wolrd I can't see a better alternative today, than the USA. Canada is still doing ok, but I worry about their romantic affectionism with Europe.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
We are in dark times. Five years of economic bloodshed and three of brutal warmongering and the worst environmental president in American history and you simply cannot deny that as the ruthless American agenda goes, so goes the populace, so goes the collective attitude, the shared vibration, the health of the planet and the feeling that this particular karmic sinkhole has no known bottom.

In other words, it is all connected. It is all of a piece. There is a direct correlation between the violent and heartless tone and attitude of our country and the mental and spiritual health of its people and by way of comparison just look at the Clinton era, which brought eight years of unprecedented prosperity and peace and a nearly balanced budget and high economic flush.

There was, we forget, a decided lack of sexual anxiety and uptight moral rigidity in the nation, minimal pseudo-religious puling from the uptight Right and much moderate lawmaking and I don't care a whit for what you say about the man's personal moral compass -- under Clinton, America had deeply supportive allies, intelligent foreign policy, more genuine concern for the planet and the health of our forests and oceans and air, and we had a president who was incredibly articulate and deeply intelligent and greatly beloved the world over and the nation enjoyed one of its most prosperous and nondivisive and peaceful periods in its history.

And now, the exact opposite. Everywhere you look, the culture is fractured and divisive and mean. Everywhere you look it's war and pollution and more toxins, red versus blue, good versus evil, more garbage and less concern where to shove it, fewer restrictions on industrial polluters and fewer controls on corporate abuse and an administration that has so shamelessly leveraged the worst tragedy in American history, 9/11, to further its brutal and hawkish right-wing agenda it would embarrass Mussolini.

The sad fact is, there are a great many among us who believe we have entered into a new Dark Age, that it will be a long and brutal slog indeed and BushCo is merely the precursor, the devil's handmaiden, and that we have a long way to go into the bleak and the bloody and the environmentally devastating before the pendulum begins its slow swing back toward the light.

Just look around. No one anywhere, not priests, not nuns, not healers or mystics, not Christians, not pagans, not Repubs or Demos or Libertarians, no one anywhere in this country is saying, hey, doesn't it feel like we're entering into a new era of health and healing and positivism and spiritual rebirth? Aren't our schools just teeming anew with eager students who seem to be getting smarter and more articulate? Isn't the air getting cleaner and aren't we proud of our government for protecting the health of future generations by pushing for more natural foods and signing on to the Kyoto Treaty and advocating antitoxin regulations and by protecting our forests and improving school textbooks and revolutionizing the hideous national health care system?

Doesn't that tone of enthusiasm and hope sound just completely silly, wrong, out of place, like so much Prozac-grade bulls--? Damn right it does.

There's a reason for that. We are not headed for light with the Bush/Cheney Co. Not yet, anyway. The coming years are not going to be about friendship and repaired foreign relations and a sense of our shared humanity, about equality and sexual freedom and a renewed sense of human rights. To believe this is to believe in fairy tales almost as insidious and hopeless as evangelical Christians who are right now stuffing themselves with Cheez-Its and pink wine and praying for Armageddon.
The use of KKK in America, looks bad on you my friend, maybe i just should ignore your silly posts...on second thought.
 

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use of "KKK" in spelling of America detected

sigh you'd think someone old enough to have served in Vietnam would be more mature about his sky is falling scenarios...... oh well.

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