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Rumours about 2008 Clinton v Rice
By Kevin Anderson
BBC News, Washington




Rice insists she is not interested in the presidency

As one website notes, it is three years and 235 days until the next presidential election in the US, and only 52 days into President George W Bush's second term.

But speculation is already reaching a fever pitch about possible presidential candidates in 2008.

The list of possible contenders began almost immediately after Mr Bush won last November.

But this frenzy of political prognostication is being driven by an undeniably intriguing scenario - that pits Senator Hillary Clinton against Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

Although Ms Rice has strained to find new ways of saying she is not interested in a bid, the possible presidential match-up has the chattering classes so prematurely worked up that they are having a hard time letting go.

New ways to say no

As if it were not trying enough to prepare for a whirlwind trip across Asia, Ms Rice said "no" on three separate Sunday morning political shows in the US, when asked whether she would run.

"I don't have any desire to run for president. I don't intend to. I won't do it," Ms Rice said on the ABC political programme This Week.


Hillary Clinton is the Democrat to beat for her party's nomination
On NBC's Meet the Press, she said: "I don't know how many ways to say 'no' in this town. I really don't."

She said she planned to return to academic life. Before she became national security adviser during President Bush's first term, she was provost at Stanford University in California.

Or as she recently said at a State Department press conference: "I'm going to try to be a good secretary of state, and then, as I've said many, many times, there's always NFL (National Football League) commissioner."

She is a big fan of American football.

Have her repeated denials discouraged the several websites, blogs and other grassroots efforts to encourage her to run? No.

At Americansforrice.com, Condi fans said: "With the memory of Eisenhower's being 'drafted' for the nomination, we are not deterred."

The website even has its own song: Condoleezza Will Lead Us. Think early 1980s Euro-pop, vaguely Wham-esque.

Stop Hillary!

What touched this off in the first place?

Ms Rice received glowing press after her recent European tour.

And US conservatives are looking for a candidate to counter their arch-nemesis: Hillary Clinton. She is also the source of endless speculation about her presidential ambitions.

There is already a Stop Hillary Political Action Committee, whose founders fear the Republican Party is not taking the threat from the "Hildebeast" seriously enough.

And a member of the editorial board of the Washington Times, which sees itself as a conservative counterbalance to the Washington Post, asked Ms Rice to run to stop Senator Clinton.

She just laughed and said she had no plans to run, but conservatives are determined never to let another Clinton call the White House home.

Hillary the front runner

Senator Clinton leads a field of likely Democrats, beating both former challenger John Kerry and his running mate John Edwards, according to the Marist Poll.

She beats Mr Kerry by 39% to his 21%. A range of Democrats including Senator Joseph Biden, New Mexico Governor Bill Richards and Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack are in a crowded pack of potential candidates with single digit support.

Most political experts will say that at this early stage, these polls measure name recognition more than accurate levels of political support.

On the Republican side, Ms Rice comes in third behind former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Arizona Senator John McCain.

Ask most Americans who they would vote for in 2008, and they are most likely to look at you in bewilderment and ask: "Didn't we just have an election?"

University of Virginia political science professor Larry Sabato believes all this early presidential speculation is driven largely by journalists in election withdrawal.

Mr Sabato told AFP news agency that Ms Clinton was a more solid bet.

"Hillary Clinton is certainly real - she's the most real candidate on the Democratic side so far," he said. However, he said in a recent look at the party's candidates that he disagrees with Democrats who believe she is impossible to beat.

In contrast, he said talk of a Rice campaign "is cotton candy fluff generated by those of us who pine for the intense days of a presidential campaign that is still three years away".
 

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Damn..........From the title i thought Jerry Rice was going to become a running back and compete with clinton portis....................lol
 

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Ah, no.

I don't know that POUTS is the first office someone should run for.

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freakshow said:
Damn..........From the title i thought Jerry Rice was going to become a running back and compete with clinton portis....................lol
Or as she recently said at a State Department press conference: "I'm going to try to be a good secretary of state, and then, as I've said many, many times, there's always NFL (National Football League) commissioner."

She is a big fan of American football.
Freakshow, there is the link to NFL. Is she related to Jerry?
 

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bornonaug9 said:
Rumours about 2008 Clinton v Rice
By Kevin Anderson
BBC News, Washington

On the Republican side, Ms Rice comes in third behind former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Arizona Senator John McCain.
Is Collin Powell a likely candidate in 2008 and how would he rank?
 

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..very few people take Rice seriously, even on the right I get the sense she is seen as Bush's lap dog, sloberingly agreeing with everything he says.
 

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Ah, no.

I don't know that POUTS is the first office someone should run for.

OTB
Well, there have been a few. Zach Taylor, Grant, Eisenhower. Americans have shown a certain fondness for electing war heroes as president even though they have no political experience. Condi isn't likely to gain hero status anytime soon, so I wouldn't concern myself too much about her running.
 

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assoholic said:
..very few people take Rice seriously, even on the right I get the sense she is seen as Bush's lap dog, sloberingly agreeing with everything he says.
I would not agree, I think people take her very seriously. They know when she says something it will not be contradicted by the Whitehouse or Pentagon because she is so close to the President. When you're talking to Condi (or listening) you're talking to the President..... and that's where the power is.

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onthebottom said:
Ah, no.

I don't know that POUTS is the first office someone should run for.

OTB
POUTS, don't you love it!
 

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onthebottom said:
I would not agree, I think people take her very seriously. They know when she says something it will not be contradicted by the Whitehouse or Pentagon because she is so close to the President. When you're talking to Condi (or listening) you're talking to the President..... and that's where the power is.

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What????
Many don't take her seriously at all. Everyone knows the power is Dicky Cheney. Uncle Dicky is the master puppeteer pulling GWB's strings....... :p
 

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Following the money didn't work too well for Kerry - a billion in the coffers did not a king make. The future is grim for America's moneyed left wing titular hopefuls.

As for Rice, if she chose to run it would be a landslide: Condi by 20.

bbking said:
Anyone who believes this doesn't follow Republican politics. All I can say is follow the money and that's who is in charge. As for Rice, she can't keep her stories straight as such she would get buried in todays politics. She is a very good second banana - but thats it.
 

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langeweile said:
I am not sure if the USA is ready for a female president, and a black one on top of it.
Personally I would like to see a female president. I would take Rice over Hillary anytime....for anything... ;)
Heck they're not even ready for the Equal Rights Amendment, but God help any pol who suggests touching the Second Amendment—the Right to Bear Arms. Unlikely though it might be, a woman as President would be, I think, a fine thing for the US.
 

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Following the money didn't work too well for Kerry - a billion in the coffers did not a king make. The future is grim for America's moneyed left wing titular hopefuls.

As for Rice, if she chose to run it would be a landslide: Condi by 20.

I will take that bet. Even though she is a hottie, the US (nor Canada) is no where near ready for a female president.
 

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America is much more progressive and liberal (classical liberalism) than your estimate. Note that Condi's position is one of the most powerful in the American state structure - very powerful to be held by someone not white and male. America will elect a not white or male candidate when the appropriate one arrives on stage.

As for Candia, this is a backwards arch conservative society, not yet ready for a President in the first place. One might mention Kim Campbell but it must be mentioned that she was jobbed into office by a corrupt bagman.

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I will take that bet. Even though she is a hottie, the US (nor Canada) is no where near ready for a female president.
 

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...or one of African American heritige. I would like to see Colin Powell as POTUS but he wont for the same reason.


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I think Powell has or had large support. I forgot which election it was, but I think it was Clinton/Dole. He had quiet a lead in the polls.
Mind you though that Dole wasn't a very charasmatic candidate.

If the USA would be ready for a black POTUS. Powell would have the best chance, even after the UN debacle.
Some people think he lost some credibility on that. I believe that most people know, that he had bad intel.
 

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Peeping Tom said:
America is much more progressive and liberal (classical liberalism) than your estimate. Note that Condi's position is one of the most powerful in the American state structure - very powerful to be held by someone not white and male. America will elect a not white or male candidate when the appropriate one arrives on stage.
It is a powerful position, but history is against anyone like her ever running for president anytime soon. The only other cabinet member without political experience to jump to the White House was Hoover, and in hindsight he probably wished he hadn't. All the other non-politicos elected president have been generals. The US will have a black president one day, and it will also have a woman president one day, but the chances of that happening together for the first time is extremely remote. I think it might be a little more than what all those nice grassroots conservatives who voted for Bush are ready for. That and her complete lack of personal experience in political
battle make it even more remote. I'll take you up on that bet as well. Twenty point win? I'll give you odds she wouldn't get out of the primaries, even if she did want to run.
 
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HUH..can you explain that?? :eek:
The Equal Rights Amendment was first proposed in the 1920's, and has been brought up in nearly every congressional session since. It came closest to being ratified in the 70's, when 35 of the necessary 38 states approved it. It's been stalled at three votes short ever since, and not likely to be up for any new vote soon. The proposed amendment simply states that equality of rights shall not be denied or abridged on account of sex, a right that is not now specifically guaranteed in the constitution.
 
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