Muslims Issue fatwa ...

It's about time

It's time that moderate muslims everwhere acknowledge that these terrorists give all of them a bad name. The moderate majority need to position themselves against OBL and his gang of murderous nutbars.

My only question is what took them so long? Up until now, their silence was deafening.

Cinema Face said:

It's time that moderate muslims everwhere acknowledge that these terrorists give all of them a bad name. The moderate majority need to position themselves against OBL and his gang of murderous nutbars.

My only question is what took them so long? Up until now, their silence was deafening.

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Well, I don't know if there was complete "silence", but I will agree the Muslim community at large has been too hesitant here. Kudos to the Spanish Muslims...

n_v said:

What do you think the chances of a fellow muslim actually following through with this?

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I don't know, but if you were one of those Spanish clerics, now would be a good time to start hoarding sandbags.

Hard Idle said:

I don't know, but if you were one of those Spanish clerics, now would be a good time to start hoarding sandbags.

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The silence was not deafening if you asked any of your muslim friends or co-workers what they thought of Osama Bin Laden and his tactics. Fortunately, or unfortunately, muslims do not have a "Pope" per se... So who is to stand up and speak for them???

The most vocal have been the fanatics...

Historically, religion has been used by the powerful to keep the masses in line, and sometimes religious leaders resorted to the use of brutal tactics. Muslims who come from countries where they are not allowed free speech are often very afraid to speak out for fear of retribution. In a particular community or mosque, many are still afraid that if they say too much, they will be viewed by their peers as Anti-Islam. These poor people walk a very fine line between our Canadian society and their cultural society.

One poster described if earlier by saying that those clerics better start collecting sandbags.... Chances are these guys just signed their death warrants or at the very least, they will come under heavy criticism for bowing to the wishes of the westerners or the infidels...

It's so easy within these communities to twist words..

There are a few organizations that I was disappointed did not speak out one in particular was the Aga Khan Foundation.

The silence is deafening! Muslims are cautious to speak out against the likes of al Qaida, Hezbollah, Hamas and other militant groups out of fear for themselves or loved ones or simply because they sympathize with the cause in general. I bet if you took a poll of Muslims outside of North America only about 15-20% of them believe that the actions of the 9/11 terrorists was 100% morally and unequivically wrong. Hell even a large minority of people here think that the US is as much to blame as the terrorists are, if not more.

slowandeasy said:

One poster described if earlier by saying that those clerics better start collecting sandbags.... Chances are these guys just signed their death warrants or at the very least, they will come under heavy criticism for bowing to the wishes of the westerners or the infidels...

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I'm not so sure. One of the biggest no no's in Islam is to kill another Moslem. If OBL or any of his boys off these clerics, the s**t will hit the fan and Al Queda won't find many places willing to hide them.

strange1 said:

I'm not so sure. One of the biggest no no's in Islam is to kill another Moslem. If OBL or any of his boys off these clerics, the s**t will hit the fan and Al Queda won't find many places willing to hide them.

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LOL

So all the suecide bombers are doing No-Nos?

strange1 said:

I'm not so sure. One of the biggest no no's in Islam is to kill another Moslem. If OBL or any of his boys off these clerics, the s**t will hit the fan and Al Queda won't find many places willing to hide them.

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Saddam had been killing fellow muslims for years..... these suicide bombers have been killing as many muslims as they have killed foreigners...

slowandeasy said:

Saddam had been killing fellow muslims for years.....

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But Saddam has nover portrayed himself as a devout moslem. And yes, the planners of "religous" suicide bombings are hypocrites.

strange1 said:

But Saddam has nover portrayed himself as a devout moslem. And yes, the planners of "religous" suicide bombings are hypocrites.

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So only devote killers are wrong???

Oh boy

papasmerf said:

So only devote killers are wrong???

Oh boy

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Good job choosing your own meaning. OBL's power is from his following of religous fundamentalist. He needs to be seen as following Islamic law. Saddam's government was secular with his power coming from the military and the police so needed no support of fundamentalists.

Nowhere did I say either of them were good.

WOW took them long enough!!!

They didn't wait long to whine about the extra aiport attention they got from government officials or other inconveniences. Took them a few years to finally say something. Unfortunately its from a small group of clerics in one small nation.

strange1 said:

Good job choosing your own meaning. OBL's power is from his following of religous fundamentalist. He needs to be seen as following Islamic law. Saddam's government was secular with his power coming from the military and the police so needed no support of fundamentalists.

Nowhere did I say either of them were good.

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Ummmmmm did you say they was wrong and should be stoped?

Well, PapaSmerf, nowhere in Strange's post did he say or imply that the terrorists should not be stopped, nor did he say that only "devote" (devout I think you meant) killers are wrong. Whether Strange is correct in his analysis is a matter of opinion, but I don't see where in this thread you can find anything that you accused him of saying.

Also, just so you don't misinterpret my post here, I will say it.......... All killers are wrong and they should be stopped. There, now you can't condemn me for not saying it. But then again, why would you expect that we have to say something so obvious? Does lack of that sentence mean we don't believe it?

By the way, ironically, you haven't explicitly made that statement yourself in this thread.

irlandais9000 said:

Well, PapaSmerf, nowhere in Strange's post did he say or imply that the terrorists should not be stopped, nor did he say that only "devote" (devout I think you meant) killers are wrong. Whether Strange is correct in his analysis is a matter of opinion, but I don't see where in this thread you can find anything that you accused him of saying.

Also, just so you don't misinterpret my post here, I will say it.......... All killers are wrong and they should be stopped. There, now you can't condemn me for not saying it. But then again, why would you expect that we have to say something so obvious? Does lack of that sentence mean we don't believe it?

By the way, ironically, you haven't explicitly made that statement yourself in this thread.

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Check my past posts and see where I stand on these murderers.

I am a big proponent of LAS VEGAS east. Located guess where.

papasmerf said:

Ummmmmm did you say they was wrong and should be stoped?

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Sorry you're right. Just to inform everyone, I need oxygen to live.

papasmerf said:

Check my past posts and see where I stand on these murderers.

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Follow your own advise before you criticize.

papasmerf said:

Check my past posts and see where I stand on these murderers.

I am a big proponent of LAS VEGAS east. Located guess where.

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Well, I'm sure you do oppose terrorist murderers, and we might be able to find posts from Strange indicating his oppositon as well. But, this is kind of missing the point.

As far as Las Vegas, sorry, I don't get the reference.

irlandais9000 said:

Well, I'm sure you do oppose terrorist murderers, and we might be able to find posts from Strange indicating his oppositon as well. But, this is kind of missing the point.

As far as Las Vegas, sorry, I don't get the reference.

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Seems to me that Iraq would have made a great resort area.

Yes I do oppose the TERRORISM and satnd by the concept of working to eliminate it.

Maybe now the press will start paying more attention to moderate muslim leaders but I wouldn't count on it. The opinions of mainstream muslims are not terribly newsworthy. Even this story required muslim leaders to issue a fatwa before it saw the light of day. But the everyday statements from local muslim leaders have been sadly neglected. These are private people who are usually ignored by our news gathering apparatus. Our media has been far too busy concentrating of extremists like OBL etc. They could care less if these fundamentalists make up only a tiny minority of muslims. We should always keep in mind that we only see what the media wants us to see.