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Unfarking believable.

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Nancy Soderberg on Comedy Central:

Stewart: This book--it talks about the superpower myth of the United States. There is this idea, the United States is the sole superpower, and I guess the premise of the book is we cannot misuse that power--have to use it wisely, and not just punitively. Is that--

Soderberg: That's right. What I argue is that the Bush administration fell hostage to the superpower myth, believing that because we're the most powerful nation on earth, we were all-powerful, could bend the world to our will and not have to worry about the rest of the world. I think what they're finding in the second term is, it's a little bit harder than that, and reality has an annoying way of intruding.

Stewart: But what do you make of--here's my dilemma, if you will. I don't care for the way these guys conduct themselves--and this is just you and I talking, no cameras here [audience laughter]. But boy, when you see the Lebanese take to the streets and all that, and you go, "Oh my God, this is working," and I begin to wonder, is it--is the way that they handled it really--it's sort of like, "Uh, OK, my daddy hits me, but look how tough I'm getting." You know what I mean? Like, you don't like the method, but maybe--wrong analogy, is that, uh--?

Soderberg: Well, I think, you know, as a Democrat, you don't want anything nice to happen to the Republicans, and you don't want them to have progress. But as an American, you hope good things would happen. I think the way to look at it is, they can't credit for every good thing that happens, but they need to be able to manage it. I think what's happening in Lebanon is great, but it's not necessarily directly related to the fact that we went into Iraq militarily.

Stewart: Do you think that the people of Lebanon would have had, sort of, the courage of their conviction, having not seen--not only the invasion but the election which followed? It's almost as though that the Iraqi election has emboldened this crazy--something's going on over there. I'm smelling something.

Soderberg: I think partly what's going on is the country next door, Syria, has been controlling them for decades, and they [the Syrians] were dumb enough to blow up the former prime minister of Lebanon in Beirut, and they're--people are sort of sick of that, and saying, "Wait a minute, that's a stretch too far." So part of what's going on is they're just protesting that. But I think there is a wave of change going on, and if we can help ride it though the second term of the Bush administration, more power to them.

Stewart: Do you think they're the guys to--do they understand what they've unleashed? Because at a certain point, I almost feel like, if they had just come out at the very beginning and said, "Here's my plan: I'm going to invade Iraq. We'll get rid of a bad guy because that will drain the swamp"--if they hadn't done the whole "nuclear cloud," you know, if they hadn't scared the pants off of everybody, and just said straight up, honestly, what was going on, I think I'd almost--I'd have no cognitive dissonance, no mixed feelings.

Soderberg: The truth always helps in these things, I have to say. But I think that there is also going on in the Middle East peace process--they may well have a chance to do a historic deal with the Palestinians and the Israelis. These guys could really pull off a whole--

Stewart: This could be unbelievable!

Soderberg:---series of Nobel Peace Prizes here, which--it may well work. I think that, um, it's--

Stewart: [buries head in hands] Oh my God! [audience laughter] He's got, you know, here's--

Soderberg: It's scary for Democrats, I have to say.

Stewart: He's gonna be a great--pretty soon, Republicans are gonna be like, "Reagan was nothing compared to this guy." Like, my kid's gonna go to a high school named after him, I just know it.

Soderberg: Well, there's still Iran and North Korea, don't forget. There's hope for the rest of us.


Stewart: [crossing fingers] Iran and North Korea, that's true, that is true [audience laughter]. No, it's--it is--I absolutely agree with you, this is--this is the most difficult thing for me to--because, I think, I don't care for the tactics, I don't care for this, the weird arrogance, the setting up. But I gotta say, I haven't seen results like this ever in that region.

Soderberg: Well wait. It hasn't actually gotten very far. I mean, we've had--

Stewart: Oh, I'm shallow! I'm very shallow!

Soderberg: There's always hope that this might not work. No, but I think, um, it's--you know, you have changes going on in Egypt; Saudi Arabia finally had a few votes, although women couldn't participate. What's going on here in--you know, Syria's been living in the 1960s since the 1960s--it's, part of this is--
 
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And Jon Stewart is now speaking for "the left"?

Hey OTB, I kinda missed you lately. My post count has needed inflating and you were nowhere to be found.
 

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yychobbyist said:
And Jon Stewart is now speaking for "the left"?

Hey OTB, I kinda missed you lately. My post count has needed inflating and you were nowhere to be found.
While Jon does lean a bit to the left he did a nice job of making Nancy look like an idiot.

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onthebottom said:
While Jon does lean a bit to the left he did a nice job of making Nancy look like an idiot.

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I think he gets bonuses for making guests look stupid. I think he's a rich guy.
 

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yychobbyist said:
I think he gets bonuses for making guests look stupid. I think he's a rich guy.
I especially liked "Soderberg: Well, there's still Iran and North Korea, don't forget. There's hope for the rest of us. "

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He hasn't seen results like this in the region?

Hello! People have only been resisting against occupation in Iraq for a few years now. And there is that little bit of unrest in Palestine. I don't see anything groundbraking about people wanting foreign meddlers out, regardless of what the occupier may be contributing.
 
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Hard Idle said:
He hasn't seen results like this in the region?

Hello! People have only been resisting against occupation in Iraq for a few years now. And there is that little bit of unrest in Palestine. I don't see anything groundbraking about people wanting foreign meddlers out, regardless of what the occupier may be contributing.
I think you missed the point.

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harleycharley said:
america has already failed in iraq.......
Wrong, as usual, we can only hope Mr. Dean takes this view as well.

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I don't know why the left considers the U.S. failing in Iraq. There have been no military defeats. I haven't seen any pictures of the marines retreating or running. I haven't seen the insurgents retaking any cities.
In Canada, there is rampant anti-Americanism due to the national inferiority complex this country has. It is too bad that we spend so much time bashing the Americans while we have only 80% of their standard of living and we depend on them for 85% of our exports.
This runs in our government. President Bush is pissed that Mr. Dithers failed to inform him of the non-commitment to the Defence Shield. It really does matter that we have to cut this shit out, because the Americans have hammerred us with some forty penalty duties on such things as softwood lumber, paper, steel products, pork and of course, beef. If we want this country to survive, we have to do more than just gaze at our nevels and bash the Americans.
 

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I agree with Brus. Some lefties actually cheer for the terrorists. They'd love a US defeat and want the US to get a bloody nose over this.
 

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bbking said:
I think the left feels the US could do better than it has been.


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WTF does this mean. I think the left (or Democrats if you prefer) are panicked that Bush will succeed in the Middle East and they will have been on the wrong side of an issue again (bit of a streak going actually).

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Cinema Face said:
I agree with Brus. Some lefties actually cheer for the terrorists. They'd love a US defeat and want the US to get a bloody nose over this.
The left wing either cheers or are apologists for the terrorists because the terrorists are left wing! In many minds the terrorists are nothing more than freedom fighters. This warped mentality is just downright scary.
 
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