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First Dean says conservatives and Republicans are evil and now this.

Good job, Dems. Further alienate yourselves from most Americans. :D

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050303/D88J6OG00.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - A pair of Jewish groups accused Sen. Robert Byrd on Wednesday of making an outrageous and reprehensible comparison between Adolf Hitler's Nazis and a Senate GOP plan to block Democrats from filibustering. A GOP senator called for Byrd to retract his remarks.

Byrd spokesman Tom Gavin denied that Byrd, D-W.Va., had compared Republicans to Hitler. He said that instead, the reference to Nazis in a Senate speech on Tuesday was meant to underscore that the past should not be ignored.

"Terrible chapters of history ought never be repeated," Gavin said. "All one needs to do is to look at history to see how dangerous it is to curb the rights of the minority."

Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, the Senate's No. 3 Republican, called for Byrd to retract his comments, saying they "lessen the credibility of the senator and the decorum of the Senate."

Ken Mehlman, chairman of the Republican National Committee, called the remarks "poisonous rhetoric" that are "reprehensible and beyond the pale."

Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said Byrd's remarks showed "a profound lack of understanding as to who Hitler was" and that the senator should apologize to the American people.

"It is hideous, outrageous and offensive for Senator Byrd to suggest that the Republican Party's tactics could in any way resemble those of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party," Foxman said.

In his comments Tuesday, Byrd defended the right senators have to use filibusters - procedural delays that can kill an item unless 60 of the 100 senators vote to move ahead.

Byrd cited Hitler's 1930s rise to power by, in part, pushing legislation through the German parliament that seemed to legitimize his ascension.

"We, unlike Nazi Germany or Mussolini's Italy, have never stopped being a nation of laws, not of men," Byrd said. "But witness how men with motives and a majority can manipulate law to cruel and unjust ends."

Byrd then quoted historian Alan Bullock, saying Hitler "turned the law inside out and made illegality legal."

Byrd added, "That is what the nuclear option seeks to do."

The nuclear option is the nickname for the proposal to end filibusters of judicial nominations because of the devastating effect the plan, if enacted, would have on relations between Democrats and Republicans.

The back and forth was the latest twist in the battle over Senate GOP efforts to free 10 nominated judges that the chamber's minority Democrats have blocked during President Bush's first term. The Senate confirmed 204 others.

The first criticism of Byrd came Wednesday when Matt Brooks, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, issued a written statement.

"With his knowledge of history and his own personal background as a KKK member, he should be ashamed for implying that his political opponents are using Nazi tactics," Brooks said.

Byrd joined the Ku Klux Klan as a young man and has repeatedly apologized for it. Now 87 and the Senate's longest-serving member at 47 years, he prides himself on his knowledge of history and makes historical references frequently during debates.

Brooks also attacked as "disgusting" Byrd's remark that "some in the Senate are ready to callously incinerate" senators' rights to filibuster. The comment came amid several references by Byrd to the "nuclear option."

"There is no excuse for raising the specter of the Holocaust crematoria in a discussion of the Senate filibuster," Brooks said. "That kind of political heavy-handedness is inappropriate and reprehensible."

Byrd is a long-standing defender of the chamber's rules and traditions, many of which help the Senate's minority party.

"In the Senate, when a majority runs roughshod over the minority, the people's liberties can be in danger," Gavin said. "That majority may be a majority of one party or a majority of one region or a majority of one interest.

Brooks said his group's counterpart, the National Jewish Democratic Council, should condemn Byrd's comments. Ira Foreman, executive director of the Democratic group, declined to comment.
 

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djk said:
First Dean says conservatives and Republicans are evil and now this.
QUOTE]


Do you have the source of that quote, in context? I haven't heard that, thanks.


Regarding Byrd, yes, his comparison was way over the top, to say the least.

Regarding the hypocritical whining from Republicans about the filibuster - they thought the filibuster was a great thing when Clinton was President and they didn't allow hearings for many nominees, hoping they could have a huge number of vacancies waiting for a Republican president.
 

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Dear Democrats,

The RNC is eternally greatful for supporting our cause. The contribution made by the chairman of the DNC Mr. Dean and the honorable Sen. Byrd, will give us a great start for 2006 and 2008.
We are looking forward to further contributions and hope that Sen. Kennedy can join the ranks soon.
Sincerely
Ken Mehlman
 

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I'm sure this major scandal will cause voters all over the US to reconsider their preferences. :rolleyes:

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irlandais9000 said:
djk said:
First Dean says conservatives and Republicans are evil and now this.
QUOTE]


Do you have the source of that quote, in context? I haven't heard that, thanks.
http://www.ljworld.com/section/citynews/story/197427

"Moderate Republicans can't stand these people (conservatives), because they're intolerant. They don't think tolerance is a virtue," Dean said, adding: "I'm not going to have these right-wingers throw away our right to be tolerant."

And concluding his backyard speech with a litany of Democratic values, he added: "This is a struggle of good and evil. And we're the good."
 

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Hardly surprising from the Dem camp given that the party is currently led by the gutter. It does showcase certain core Democrat values: "if the vote doesn't go our way, then there will be no vote" - remarkably consistent with the policies of fascism. Hardly surprising words coming from the mouth of a guy who wore bedsheets while burning crosses on his nightly run.
 

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I was never a fan of the fillybuster. IMO it is anti-democratic. Decisions in the senate should be made by vote and not by procedure. i believe that sometimes the fillybuster is used as a means to avoid difficult votes.
 

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bbking said:
It's very democratic - in the US it is the only real protection against the Tyranny of the Majority. Support for the Republicans is at between 51 to 54%, that is a sizable minority that would not be represented if the Republicans were allowed to ram everything down peoples throat - something that the founding fathers of the US didn't want.


bbk
I don't buy this argument, because in the end every senator is accountable to his district. Most of politics is local.
Non voting on an issue is avoiding responsibility. I didn't like it then and I don't like it now.
There is already too many hurdles to pass anything.
 

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So this is the defense of the left, following a nation wide rebuke - the tyranny of the majority? The left isn't represented because the people decided on a different course and the outcome of that course will be implemented democratically. The fascists will not be able to prevent the Senate majority from voting its wishes.

Keep it up guys ...

bbking said:
It's very democratic - in the US it is the only real protection against the Tyranny of the Majority. Support for the Republicans is at between 51 to 54%, that is a sizable minority that would not be represented if the Republicans were allowed to ram everything down peoples throat - something that the founding fathers of the US didn't want.


bbk
 

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US Form of Government

C'mon, it's not a democracy. It's a republic! :eek:

jwm
 

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..Byrd is right on, the tactics are the same. I personally believe all these "hidden conversations tapes are an attempt to clean up Bush's image.
Bush did a helluva alot more then just a bit of marijuana.
 
Y

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This Byrd sounds Canadian.

Typical socialist nutbar calling everyone he doesn't agree with Nazis.
It's on the tip of my tongue to refer to you using the "N' word but only discretion and the enjoyment I get from being part of this community are stopping me.
 

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The issue at hand is a current one - I don't give a hoot about what went on during the Rosenfeld era. BTW its 60 - 40 in the Senate, which is the issue of contention. As for checks and balances, they weren't concieved to, nor are they going to impede a trifecta, which is today's reality - trifecta: read massive, overwhelming electoral success. Another reality is that some time in the future, the Republicans might wish filibustering exists - they could be a Senate minority (although not likely given the Democrat's recent incompetence and extreme distaste of the public for their nonsense). It would seem that the Republican consensus is that filibustering is not an appropriate political stance and it will disappear given the Republican's overwhelming mandate.

It's amazing how you lefties have to resort to personal jabs when the electorate is so far against you - how shallow. But heck, that's business as usual for the left.

bbking said:
...not the defense of the left but an argument made by Republicans during the Roosevelt years when the Dems controlled all the levers of power. As for your people decide stuff - 51 to 49 is not such a commanding madate to allow the Republicans to do as they want - remember checks and balances - I believe that was what the US founding fathers were going for wasn't it.

It's amazing how you righties forget your own history and blame it as a lfet thing when it works against you - how shallow.


bbk
 

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Peeping Tom said:
The issue at hand is a current one - I don't give a hoot about what went on during the Rosenfeld era. BTW its 60 - 40 in the Senate, which is the issue of contention.
I’m just curious, does anyone happen to know how this 60- 40 split relates to population? (after, all the U.S. Senate is based on states and not rep by pop). I’m curious as to how close that 60 – 40 translates into states representing 60% and 40% of the population.
 

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Peeping Tom said:
The issue at hand is a current one - I don't give a hoot about what went on during the Rosenfeld era....
What's with the Rosenfeld bit? Can you not spell or are you hinting at some dark Jewish conspiracy?

jwm
 

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Senator Byrd is an old fart without any sense of decency or restraint. He is so high up in the Democratic Party that no one ever mentions that he was a long-time member of the Ku Klux Klan and that he and Al Gore, Sr railed against letting "nigras" get the vote via the repeal of the Jim Crow laws in the 1960's.
 

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The design of the Senate is to provide regional, not populist, representation.

someone said:
I’m just curious, does anyone happen to know how this 60- 40 split relates to population? (after, all the U.S. Senate is based on states and not rep by pop). I’m curious as to how close that 60 – 40 translates into states representing 60% and 40% of the population.
 

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djk said:
First Dean says conservatives and Republicans are evil and now this.

Good job, Dems. Further alienate yourselves from most Americans. :D

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050303/D88J6OG00.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - A pair of Jewish groups accused Sen. Robert Byrd on Wednesday of making an outrageous and reprehensible comparison between Adolf Hitler's Nazis and a Senate GOP plan to block Democrats from filibustering. A GOP senator called for Byrd to retract his remarks.

Byrd spokesman Tom Gavin denied that Byrd, D-W.Va., had compared Republicans to Hitler. He said that instead, the reference to Nazis in a Senate speech on Tuesday was meant to underscore that the past should not be ignored.

"Terrible chapters of history ought never be repeated," Gavin said. "All one needs to do is to look at history to see how dangerous it is to curb the rights of the minority."

Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, the Senate's No. 3 Republican, called for Byrd to retract his comments, saying they "lessen the credibility of the senator and the decorum of the Senate."

Ken Mehlman, chairman of the Republican National Committee, called the remarks "poisonous rhetoric" that are "reprehensible and beyond the pale."

Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said Byrd's remarks showed "a profound lack of understanding as to who Hitler was" and that the senator should apologize to the American people.

"It is hideous, outrageous and offensive for Senator Byrd to suggest that the Republican Party's tactics could in any way resemble those of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party," Foxman said.

In his comments Tuesday, Byrd defended the right senators have to use filibusters - procedural delays that can kill an item unless 60 of the 100 senators vote to move ahead.

Byrd cited Hitler's 1930s rise to power by, in part, pushing legislation through the German parliament that seemed to legitimize his ascension.

"We, unlike Nazi Germany or Mussolini's Italy, have never stopped being a nation of laws, not of men," Byrd said. "But witness how men with motives and a majority can manipulate law to cruel and unjust ends."

Byrd then quoted historian Alan Bullock, saying Hitler "turned the law inside out and made illegality legal."

Byrd added, "That is what the nuclear option seeks to do."

The nuclear option is the nickname for the proposal to end filibusters of judicial nominations because of the devastating effect the plan, if enacted, would have on relations between Democrats and Republicans.

The back and forth was the latest twist in the battle over Senate GOP efforts to free 10 nominated judges that the chamber's minority Democrats have blocked during President Bush's first term. The Senate confirmed 204 others.

The first criticism of Byrd came Wednesday when Matt Brooks, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, issued a written statement.

"With his knowledge of history and his own personal background as a KKK member, he should be ashamed for implying that his political opponents are using Nazi tactics," Brooks said.

Byrd joined the Ku Klux Klan as a young man and has repeatedly apologized for it. Now 87 and the Senate's longest-serving member at 47 years, he prides himself on his knowledge of history and makes historical references frequently during debates.

Brooks also attacked as "disgusting" Byrd's remark that "some in the Senate are ready to callously incinerate" senators' rights to filibuster. The comment came amid several references by Byrd to the "nuclear option."

"There is no excuse for raising the specter of the Holocaust crematoria in a discussion of the Senate filibuster," Brooks said. "That kind of political heavy-handedness is inappropriate and reprehensible."

Byrd is a long-standing defender of the chamber's rules and traditions, many of which help the Senate's minority party.

"In the Senate, when a majority runs roughshod over the minority, the people's liberties can be in danger," Gavin said. "That majority may be a majority of one party or a majority of one region or a majority of one interest.

Brooks said his group's counterpart, the National Jewish Democratic Council, should condemn Byrd's comments. Ira Foreman, executive director of the Democratic group, declined to comment.
Whats the matter with him calling it the way he sees it?
 
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