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Should Iran be Allowed to Build Nuclear Weapons?

red

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Or is none of our business? If we say that Iran cannot have these weapons, what is the basis?
 

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on what basis do you think legally they should not have the right to do what the US, France and England do?
 

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red said:
on what basis do you think legally they should not have the right to do what the US, France and England do?
The NPT they signed would be a good start.

OTB
 

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I think we should ban the atom.

</there I go, wanting things banned again...>
 

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onthebottom said:
The NPT they signed would be a good start.

OTB
That is a good argument. When did they sign it, I was not aware they had signed on
 

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onthebottom said:
The NPT they signed would be a good start.

OTB
Most international agreements have escape clauses (e.g. six months notice or whatever being required). I would think that the NPT would also have one.
 

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someone said:
Most international agreements have escape clauses (e.g. six months notice or whatever being required). I would think that the NPT would also have one.
It does, but they have not said they want out, because if they do that they will end up under UNSC sanctions.

OTB
 

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I think every country in the world should have nuclear strike capability. It worked during the Cold War. As twisted as the thought is the best defense is a good offense. And although the US and Russians had hundreds of nuclear weapons during the Cold War, no nuclear bombs got dropped. I find it ironic that we got to the point that nuclear deterence is your only real defense agaisnt marauding armies. But it worked. So in order to make the world a safer place, let's all lobby for a worldwide nuclear proliferation.

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What purpose do these weapons serve???
 

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papasmerf said:
What purpose do these weapons serve???
Deterrence, but only if you are willing to use them and have something to loose yourself.

OTB
 

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<Douglas Adams>

There was once an insanely aggressive race of people called the Silastic Armorfiends of Striterax (SAS). That was just the name of their race. The name of their army was something quite horrific. Luckily they lived even further back in Galactic history than anything we have so far encountered - twenty billion years ago - when the Galaxy was young and fresh, and every idea worth fighting for was a new one.

And fighting was what the SAS were good at, and being good at it, they did a lot. They fought their enemies (i.e. everybody else), they fought each other. Their planet was a complete wreck. The surface was littered with abandoned cities which were surrounded by abandoned war machines, which were in turn surrounded by deep bunkers in which the SAs lived and squabbled with each other.

The best way to pick a fight with a SA was just to be born. They didn't like it, they got resentful. And when an Armorfiend got resentful, someone got hurt. An exhausting way of life, one might think, but they did seem to have an awful lot of energy.

The best way of dealing with a SA was to put him into a room of his own, because sooner or later he would simply beat himself up.
Eventually they realized that this was something they were going to have to sort out, and they passed a law decreeing that anyone who had to carry a weapon as part of his normal Silastic work (policemen, security guards, primary school teachers, etc.) had to spend at least forty-five minutes every day punching a sack of potatoes in order to work off his or her surplus aggressions.

For a while this worked well, until someone thought that it would be much more efficient and less time-consuming if they just shot the potatoes instead.

This led to a renewed enthusiasm for shooting all sorts of things, and they all got very excited at the prospect of their first major war for weeks.
Another achievement of the SAS is that they were the first race who ever managed to shock a computer.

It was a gigantic spaceborne computer called Hactar, which to this day is remembered as one of the most powerful ever built. It was the first to be built like a natural brain, in that every cellular particle of it carried the pattern of the whole within it, which enabled it to think more flexibly and imaginatively, and also, it seemed, to be shocked.

The SAS were engaged in one of their regular wars with the Strenuous Garfighters of Stug, and were not enjoying it as much as usual because it involved an awful lot of trekking through the Radiation Swamps of Cwulzenda, and across the Fire Mountains of Frazfraga, neither of which terrains they felt at home in.

So when the Strangulous Stilettans of Jajazikstak joined in the fray and forced them to fight another front in the Gamma Caves of Carfrax and the Ice Storms of Varlengooten, they decided that enough was enough, and they ordered Hactar to design for them an Ultimate Weapon.

"What do you mean," asked Hactar, "by Ultimate?"

To which the SAS said, "Read a bloody dictionary," and plunged back into the fray.

So Hactar designed an Ultimate Weapon.

It was a very, very small bomb which was simply a junction box in hyperspace that would, when activated, connect the heart of every major sun with the heart of every other major sun simultaneously and thus turn the entire Universe in to one gigantic hyperspatial supernova.

When the SAs tried to use it to blow up a Strangulous Stilettan munitions dump in one of the Gamma Caves, they were extremely irritated that it didn't work, and said so.

Hactar had been shocked by the whole idea.

He tried to explain that he had been thinking about this Ultimate Weapon business, and had worked out that there was no conceivable consequence of not setting the bomb off that was worse than the known consequence of setting it off, and he had therefore taken the liberty of introducing a small flaw into the design of the bomb, and he hoped that everyone involved would, on sober reflection, feel that ...

The SAs disagreed and pulverized the computer.
Later they thought better of it, and destroyed the faulty bomb as well. Then, pausing only to smash the hell out of the Strenuous Garfighters of Stug, and the Strangulous Stilettans of Jajazikstak, they went on to find an entirely new way of blowing themselves up, which was a profound relief to everyone else in the Galaxy, particularly the Garfighters, the Stilettans and the potatoes.

</Douglas Adams>


 

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Wasn’t there a guy in Iran that said if they ever get the bomb they should use it against Israel? His rationale was that even if the rest of the Jews and the US completely wiped out Iran in retaliation, then it would only be 10% of Muslims but they got 50% of the Jews. Therefore it was an acceptable price to pay for exterminating half the Jews.

I think that anyone who is OK with Iran having nukes would also be OK with kids playing with loaded guns.
 
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Cinema Face said:
Wasn’t there a guy in Iran that said if they ever get the bomb they should use it against Israel? His rationale was that even if the rest of the Jews and the US completely wiped out Iran in retaliation, then it would only be 10% of Muslims but they got 50% of the Jews. Therefore it was an acceptable price to pay for exterminating half the Jews.

I think that anyone who is OK with Iran having nukes would also be OK with kids playing with loaded guns.
No, it wasn't a guy in Iran. It was Ronald Reagan.
 

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Should Israel be allowed to build nuclear weapons? No wait, Israel already has --it's Iran that hasn't.
 

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*d* said:
Should Israel be allowed to build nuclear weapons? No wait, Israel already has --it's Iran that hasn't.
Anti-Semetic???
 

*d*

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papasmerf said:
Anti-Semetic???
I don't think a country's position of having nukes outside of the NPT has anything to do with anti-semitism.
 
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