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Iran Will Know How to Build Bomb in 6 Months - Israel

If this is true what should the world do:

  • Nothing – if Pakistan and Israel can have the bomb why not Iran

    Votes: 15 45.5%
  • Keep talking, forever if necessary

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • Sanctions after more negotiations

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Send Israel to attack the program

    Votes: 6 18.2%
  • Invade now before it’s too late

    Votes: 5 15.2%
  • Fark I don’t know

    Votes: 2 6.1%

  • Total voters
    33

onthebottom

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By Andrew Cawthorne and Amir Paivar

LONDON/TEHRAN (Reuters) - Israel said on Wednesday Tehran was just six months away from being able to build an atomic bomb, as Iranian state television rattled markets by reporting an explosion near Iran's only nuclear power plant.

OK OK OK

Lets imagine for a moment that this prediction is true (I can think of many reasons it may not be true but lets go with it for a minute) what should the world do:

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yychobbyist

I'm pretty convinced from what I've read about Iranian scenarios that there is nothing militarily that the U.S. or Israel can about their nuclear capabilities without massively destabilizing the region, and indeed the world. This is maybe the one country in the world where the Americans are truly hooped when it comes to military options. As a result, they better start talking to these Iranians - and soon.
 

onthebottom

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yychobbyist said:
I'm pretty convinced from what I've read about Iranian scenarios that there is nothing militarily that the U.S. or Israel can about their nuclear capabilities without massively destabilizing the region, and indeed the world. This is maybe the one country in the world where the Americans are truly hooped when it comes to military options. As a result, they better start talking to these Iranians - and soon.
Can't the EU do the talking, why is it necessary for the US to be involved? The military option is not the only option.

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yychobbyist

You're right. I'm still sick and am therefore not as thorough as I'd like to be today. Anyway, some entity will have to get seriously involved here as it's in the entire world's interest not to go into Iran militarily - I just can't imagine one country chomping at the bit to get involved in that coalition.

The military option isnt the only one but it's the one that seems to get discussed most frequently given what the U.S. has done in Iraq, what the Israelis did at Osiraq and given the current U.S. military presence in Iraq. I would imagine that there are currently quiet diplomatic efforts being made with respect to Iranian nukes and there are a host of economic incentives that could be used here as well - if, that is, the Iranians are willing to cooperate and that is a huge issue.
 

stang

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6 months away huh?

No problem. Gotta feeling there'll be some leave cancelled for the IAF in 5 months, 29 days.
 

Peeping Tom

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The EU can do the talking, talk is something they excel at. However, results are required, not talk. The non military option is full sanctions, something not likely given the current makeup of the UN. By sanctions, I don't mean something pathetic involving oil for bribes programs and wealthy French oligarchs - all the way or no way.

Fat chance to the above. OTOH Israel has stated that Iran having nuclear weapons will not be tolerated. So, will this much vaunted "international community" finally implement a diplomatic solution with teeth, or will Israel be forced to invoke its fundamental right of self preservation? Or, does the US tighten up the chains on Israel, until something really bad happens? Heck, maybe that's what the world needs to see - execution of MAD on a regional scale.

onthebottom said:
Can't the EU do the talking, why is it necessary for the US to be involved? The military option is not the only option.

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stang

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Has anyone talked about the real cause of the problem for America. They won't be able to stop everyone from aquiring better weapons forever.
If a kid keeps throwing rocks at your windows, you don't go out there and get rid of all the rocks. Perhaps you find out why he is doing it?
 

happygrump

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A few potential options:
  1. First of all, Iran likely wants a weapon as a deterrent from an attack. So, in exchange for not building a bomb, the US and other Western forces could pledge to not invade, ever. It's been done before, with Cuba;
  2. Let'em build it. Then buy it from them. Really;
  3. Instead of sanctions, give the Iranian theocracy full access to the international community through the UN and other similar organizations. Improve trade, cultural relations, help raise their standard of living, etc. Will further isolating them improve the situation? I think not;
  4. Face the fact that no matter what any other country does, states are going to develop nuclear weapons. We cannot un-learn how to build them. So, just like both the US and the USSR and their respective allies survived through decades of cold war, it's possible that this may be the new cold war. The only difference is that the weapons are spread all over the planet, instead of primarily in half-a-dozen nations;
  5. Bomb the bejeezuz out of them now, which will eliminate the immediate threat but put other country's nuclear programs into overdrive as a deterrent to a Western strike.
Alas, I voted, "Fark I don't know" on the poll.
 

Peeping Tom

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Nuclear weapons cannot serve as a deterrent from Western attack. Iran is not, nor will ever be on equal footing with the West. A better strategy for them is to consider what it is that they do that angers the West.

happygrump said:
A few potential options:

First of all, Iran likely wants a weapon as a deterrent from an attack. So, in exchange for not building a bomb, the US and other Western forces could pledge to not invade, ever. It's been done before, with Cuba;
Uhmm, not really.

Let'em build it. Then buy it from them. Really;
They have full access to the international forums, indeed much more than is warranted. There are no trading issues; they are free to import and export whatever commodities and manufactured goods they desire. The domestic standard of living is as high as the mullahs permit - that is something outside of the Western program. Cultural relations are their game as well and if they wish to avoid isolation they should stop isolating themselves.

Instead of sanctions, give the Iranian theocracy full access to the international community through the UN and other similar organizations. Improve trade, cultural relations, help raise their standard of living, etc. Will further isolating them improve the situation? I think not;
Fact is that the Cold War of superpowers is over. It is true that both sides posess tremendous destructive capability, yet both sides understood the implications of using it. Both sides wished to eventually emerge on top, a reality which dictated against use of nuclear weapons save for the scenario of mutually assured destruction. It is not a new cold war due to the assymetrical relation of powers - one strike here or there in exchange for unilaterally guaranteed extinction. That is what is worrisome: Stalin knew the restraints, that a global empire of evil would be unnattainable if most of the world, and all of his, was burnt to ash. This in stark contrast to some nut who imagines finding 79 virgins in heaven on the day of reckoning.

Face the fact that no matter what any other country does, states are going to develop nuclear weapons. We cannot un-learn how to build them. So, just like both the US and the USSR and their respective allies survived through decades of cold war, it's possible that this may be the new cold war. The only difference is that the weapons are spread all over the planet, instead of primarily in half-a-dozen nations;
Bomb the bejeesus out of them now, in a manner which shows other aspiring tyrants just how fast a piddling state can be wiped off the face of this earth. A very appealing idea, unfortunately one that isn't workable currently. It seems that option will require a nuclear provocation, something which the international community wants to prevent but in characteristic manner is unable to achieve. The day some mullah or dear leader delivers this provocation will be a day of judgement, make no bones about that.

Bomb the bejeezuz out of them now, which will eliminate the immediate threat but put other country's nuclear programs into overdrive as a deterrent to a Western strike.
I voted to throw them in the pit with Israel. If Iran can't get with the program, better to let them sort it out with their peers.

Alas, I voted, "Fark I don't know" on the poll.
 

Goober Mcfly

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You know, I'm starting to think we (read- The US) should just nuke the middle east and be done with it.
 

seth gecko

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It seems that the 6month estimate given here should have been qualified as Jupiter years, not Earth years
 

seth gecko

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Thanks for your input, but I pulled up this old thread only as an example to one of our stupider members who doesn't know that threads in this forum are in fact archived and retrievable. There's already a much a more current thread on this exact topic. This thread was retrieved as a joke (hence the sorry attempt at being funny with the "Jupiter years" comment). I guess I should have added a few "smileys" for emphasis.
But thanks for your input nonetheless.
 

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That is pretty funny.
Onethebottom, still shouting the same warnings as 6 years ago?
You'll notice I called into doubt.

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asterwald

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Big deal. Pakistan has it, Israel has it, the US has it. Persia has not invaded any nation for over a millenia. In fact They have been invaded by Europeans, Arabs, Turks, and Mongols.

Its time this historical nation does what it must for its security.
 

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sanctions don't work, they just make the poor suffer........war won't work, unless you kill every muslim on earth it will just make the rest angrier. Talk , negotiate, try and come to a peaceful solution between Iran, the Palistinians, Ossama , the Taliban and Al Qaida. Ask them if there is a co-existence scenario that they can envision and negotiate ( but be willing to compromise and admit past mistakes, like not moving Israel to Long Island).........if that fails, blow them all up
 

nottyboi

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What has Israel done to try and reduce hatred against it? If Israel wants true peace, they need to forge a peace with the Palis. They have not done enough to succeed. So IMHO they deserve to live with a nuclear armed Iran. I don't believe Iran will EVER use nuclear weapons unless it's existence is really under threat.
 
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