http://www.cbc.ca/story/business/national/2005/02/09/walmart-050209.html
This should be interesting to watch.
This should be interesting to watch.
Walmart
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langeweile said:
Let me see minimum wage minus union dues equals less then minimum wage.
Unions while having a place do not belong in place where the jobs, for the most part are minimum waged part timers. for the most part 90% of the jobs in wallmart were never ment to support a family on.
I don't quite get this logic. Isn't this how the union movement started in the first place, when multi-bazillionaire business tycoons kept their employees in virtual indentured slavery?papasmerf said:
Michelin, for instance, is a great bastion of non-union success. They pay their people well, they keep their word, and while no company is perfect, they've gone a long way to ensure that their employees are treated with respect, dignity and value.
Hey, Mr. Business-type: If you don't want unions in your shop, then there's one surefire way to keep them out: Respect your people.
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Good for you.red said:
As a father of three I have to rely on Walmart. There is no other store were I can get good clothing at those prices.
Most other goods are a lot less expensive than anywhere else. Of course one of the way WMT is affordable is due to the low labor costs(the other is squeezing the supplier), but should a clerk at WMT make $15 an hour, for stocking shelves?
Minimum wage jobs are meant to give you a start or are a source of income for students, they can never replace a living wage and they never should.
Higher wages at WMT mean only obe thing...a higher cost for goods sold, and who is paying that cost.....me the consumer.
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When was the last time you went to a goodwill store? Clothes are so/so at best.However it is a good place for furniture.Asterix said:
How do you get from minimum wage to $15 an hour all in one leap? Employees at Walmart certainly wouldn't be getting an $8 an hour wage increase overnight. If they did, every retail job in the country would be clamouring for a union.
Secondly, I always laugh when I hear people bitching about union dues. HELLO!!! Wakey, wakey people. Union dues are MORE than offset by wage increases gained by having a union to bargain for you. Sure you may pay a couple hundred bucks a year in union dues (which is ballpark for a retail job such as at Walmart), but you'll get a lot more than that back in increased wages. Not to mention benefits. Not to mention having a job at all when some prick manager decides to turf your ass for not having your shoes shined bright enough. Or when you don't say the Walmart mantra loud enough or with enough conviction at store opening. Btw, union dues are tax deductible to-boot!
This is Walmart people. This is their modus operandi. They came in to Canada thinking it would be just like the US. They soon found they were wrong. Dead wrong. Union drives are up at Walmarts across the country and slowly but surely those drives are starting to have success. Walmart tries to fight them in the courts but, as can now be seen, when they lose they pack up shop and close down the store. A blatant violation of labour laws, btw. It's like a plantation owning saying he's being forced out of business when told he must pay his slaves for their work (an extreme exaggeration, but you get the point).
On a whole 'nother side point, it's amusing to hear Americans bitching and complaining about jobs being outsourced to China and other countries when Walmart is one of the largest, if not THE largest, purchaser of goods manufactured in China. Americans shop at Walmart in droves b/c they love the low prices. Well, guess why the prices are so low. Maybe b/c Walmart has outsourced all those manufacturing jobs to labour-cheap countries? Maybe? Ya think? It's so hypocritical it's almost laughable.
Secondly, I always laugh when I hear people bitching about union dues. HELLO!!! Wakey, wakey people. Union dues are MORE than offset by wage increases gained by having a union to bargain for you. Sure you may pay a couple hundred bucks a year in union dues (which is ballpark for a retail job such as at Walmart), but you'll get a lot more than that back in increased wages. Not to mention benefits. Not to mention having a job at all when some prick manager decides to turf your ass for not having your shoes shined bright enough. Or when you don't say the Walmart mantra loud enough or with enough conviction at store opening. Btw, union dues are tax deductible to-boot!
This is Walmart people. This is their modus operandi. They came in to Canada thinking it would be just like the US. They soon found they were wrong. Dead wrong. Union drives are up at Walmarts across the country and slowly but surely those drives are starting to have success. Walmart tries to fight them in the courts but, as can now be seen, when they lose they pack up shop and close down the store. A blatant violation of labour laws, btw. It's like a plantation owning saying he's being forced out of business when told he must pay his slaves for their work (an extreme exaggeration, but you get the point).
On a whole 'nother side point, it's amusing to hear Americans bitching and complaining about jobs being outsourced to China and other countries when Walmart is one of the largest, if not THE largest, purchaser of goods manufactured in China. Americans shop at Walmart in droves b/c they love the low prices. Well, guess why the prices are so low. Maybe b/c Walmart has outsourced all those manufacturing jobs to labour-cheap countries? Maybe? Ya think? It's so hypocritical it's almost laughable.
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I used to do this until I found out I could walk in there and buy it back - I always thought they gave it to people in need. No longer do I do that. My old stuff now goes directly to a battered woman' s shelter or, if it's clothing, directly to a homeless shelter.Sheik said:
Most of the Americans who are bitching about losing jobs to China are not those who support Walmart being non-unionized but rather those who think like yourself, advocates of unions and such. You reveal how little you know about economic reality. For one Walmart hasn't caused the outsourcing of jobs, the market has. Its called capitalism. Walmart is just using that natural evolution to its (and its customers) benefit. You make it sound as if employees at Walmart have it so bad, that they are being exploited through low wages and poor working conditions. Hogwash. Walmart doesn't treat their employees any worse than comparable companies, nor do they pay them lower than what the market deems their worth. If they did they wouldn't attract any quality employees. Its also a fact that full time Walmart employees participate in stock purchase plans, managers are given performance bonuses etc. Walmart also contributes to communities in a variety of charitable causes. They also create many spin off jobs locally. For example many of the goods they purchase are from small suppliers in the community, so called mom and pop shops. Why do you think communities all across North America are begging for WalMart to set up shop there? The bottom line is Walmart is a good corporate citizen, they provide jobs for students, retired people and visible minorities who can't find jobs elsewhere. Why do unions want to destroy this? So that they can artificially increase wages to above market efficiency levels. Or force Walmart to recognize part time employees as permanent and pay for health benefit plans that in many cases are not needed. And if you think that Walmart won't leave if unions organize because its against labour laws, think again. Its called the golden rule - whoever has the gold makes the rules. Walmart will leave, and communities will suffer. Period.Keebler Elf said:
I have dealt with Walmart in the past, we have sold some products to them. Let me say that they are a tough but fair customer. You have to be on your best game in doing buisness with them.
As long as you deliver what you promised and your product sells, there is no problems. Their quality standards and terms are tough, but the payoff is good. The sheer volume they can push makes most suppliers smile.
I am not sure that WMT will loose a lot of sleep by losing a few stores in QC. They are by far the largest retailer in the world. The second place place is far back.
As long as you deliver what you promised and your product sells, there is no problems. Their quality standards and terms are tough, but the payoff is good. The sheer volume they can push makes most suppliers smile.
I am not sure that WMT will loose a lot of sleep by losing a few stores in QC. They are by far the largest retailer in the world. The second place place is far back.
The big driver for WALMART is to give it's shareholders good dividends year after year and that is thier drive to that end. The Union is a road block for them in thier minds. Suppliers will kill thier first born to supply Wally mart because the contract is so huge. This style of running a business is not new. But just like the big economy downturn back in the late 80's that caused a lot of companies to rethink sourcing. ie china mexico. Walmart has just perfected it.
This battle in Quebec is traditional Union busting war. Warmart will through everything at it to stop the union. But they have to be careful it does not become a media frenzy as well.
This battle in Quebec is traditional Union busting war. Warmart will through everything at it to stop the union. But they have to be careful it does not become a media frenzy as well.
My SP expenses are VERY limited...trendy clothes? for growing children? You must not have any, otherwise you would know.danmand said:
Anybody Suprised Walmart is Closing the store?
I would suggest the writing was on the wall when the union stated agitating.
Walmart plays hardball.
I would suggest the writing was on the wall when the union stated agitating.
Walmart plays hardball.
Don't worry..be happy
Don't worry about Walmart closing. The goverment will provide a paycheck to those that lost their jobs...
Don't worry about Walmart closing. The goverment will provide a paycheck to those that lost their jobs...
