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Should Canada Participate in the US Missile Defence Plan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 32.4%

  • No

    Votes: 20 58.8%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 3 8.8%
  • Total voters
    34
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happygrump

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Yes:
  • The US is our largest trading partner, therefore we should support anything that helps preserve their economy so we may continue to exploit this huge market;
  • Canada deserves to be at the table in regards to continental defence, so participating in the program gives Canada a voice into decisions about the system and deployment;
  • The reality is that the US Administration is going to go ahead with it whether we like it or not, so best to stay onside with them rather than be isolated;
  • Since Canada effectively handed over continental defence in 1964, we must, by necessity, depend on the US umbrella for protection.

No:
  • It is far too expensive;
  • The systems do nothing to deal with the potential terrorist threat of, say, a suitcase bomb, conventional attacks on US soil or attacks on US interests in other places around the world;
  • The effect of the system will destabilize an already powder-keg situation, thereby providing a window for a terrorist attack before the system becomes operational;
  • The root of the problem - inequity, human rights, fanaticism, the perception (rightly or wrongly) of the US being a global bully, led by Christian fudamentalists bent on bringing about the Second Coming - is ignored.

Thoughts?
 
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auto doctor

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The Canadians participated in the most horrific weapons development in history (the Atomic Bomb) and now we have a conscience over a flying pipe bomb development??
 
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yychobbyist

I voted No. The U.S. will proceed with or without us. The entire project is based upon quesitonable science and I seriously question the need for it. Our money and resources are best spent elsewhere.
 
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superquad1968

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I voted no because that's what Peter Mansbridge would have wanted. That and I just want to piss Fang off.
 
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auto doctor

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Missile Defence is BIG BUSINESS.. So lets turn away some business. Canadians are good at that. Lets not have any technological spinoff from this contract. Lets think about where else the Americans will spend this money instead. Mexico, South America but not Canada they want politically correct spent money.

By no means do I agree that this system should be build. That is an American choice. But why should we not take some business from this development. (which most likely will be shelved when Bush leaves office) Why does no one give a crap about the LLADD Military vehicles built by G.M. in london Ontario plant. That were used in South Africa against unarmed people. We should shut the plant down and move it to Mexico right?? Hipocracy somewhere here??? IMO
 
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islandboy

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The sytem may not work but you in Canada do not care as long as 1 your contractors get paid and 2) you get the dectection capablities which you need anyway. On that at least you will be getting the best and at a bargain
 
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islandboy said:
The sytem may not work but you in Canada do not care as long as 1 your contractors get paid and 2) you get the dectection capablities which you need anyway. On that at least you will be getting the best and at a bargain
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I agree. Lets be honest with our neighbours.
 
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yychobbyist

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I agree. Lets be honest with our neighbours.
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You may have a point. We could make some money off them and laugh our way to the bank like they do to the rest of the world.
 
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Hey if freindly neighbour wants to build a thing-a-ma jig that goes zip-zap and will destroy the communist plot and will give you a job and money. And let you get to use it. Where is the down side? Canada is building Nukes in Romania...That Ok right??
 
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islandboy

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come on Winston: We all know about the benefits of MAD analysis and how the US persuaded Russia of its value. We also know that the decision to juck it has come and gone and that Canada was not part of the party. Whether or not Canada now participates has nothing to do with turning back the clock; it is a question of what best maximizes your position now. The US will do it anyway. Do you want us to know more about your north boarder than you do. Do you want your military men talkiing in the ears of our guys if and when - hopefully never- a decison to try to shoot down incoming is made. Its a no brainer for you.

Now if you are aruging for world disarmament, that is a different analysis.
 
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Winston said:
I'm sorry, but do you support making money by selling crack to high school students, then making money by pimping out the addicted teen girls? Do you support making money by selling tobacco to primary school children?

There are moral costs to be considered. And quite frankly, I don't want to live in a country that puts the all mighty dollar above all other considerations.

Sooner or later, any new technology that comes out of this weapons system will trickle down to anyone on the internet.
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Oh by the way the internet was concieved and built by the military so get off the Web follow what you preach.... and follow your high horse of righteoushness and morals. You should not be here if you follow them.
 
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yychobbyist

DonQuixote I'd like to have one in Ohio to protect us from an attack by Texas. Don't for a moment think I'm kidding. :o[/QUOTE said:
I think one way you could start to do that is to stop electing men from there as President.
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onthebottom

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There probably should have been "Could the US tell the difference" option.

I think it would be cheaper if we could build a system to just make missiles fall short – talk about killing two birds with one stone.

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yychobbyist

onthebottom said:
There probably should have been "Could the US tell the difference" option.

I think it would be cheaper if we could build a system to just make missiles fall short – talk about killing two birds with one stone.

OTB
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well, where the hell do you think the missile's supposed to fall once it's hit?
 
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slowpoke

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This missile defense thing is a gigantic waste of money. I would much rather see us to blow our defence budget on more "down to earth" military equipment. It makes no sense to invest billions in such an esoteric and unlikely project as a missile defence shield when we have so few frigates, helicopters, military transports etc. The recent helicopter deal with Sikorsky involved quite a few high tech jobs for Canadians so Star Wars isn't the only way to get an economic benefit from your defence spending.
 
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