http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/14/attack/main529418.shtml
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Winning the War on Terror at All Costs - Except this One!
- Thread starter Drunken Master
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Rummy Cheney & Co.... War Policy?
Saw that story and remembered Rummy saying how "you fight a war with the army we got you....not the one you should have".... so I quess they figure this fits right in. Maybe they think getting gays are a higher priorty than saving US troops lives and body parts, ...GOP 'higher values' and all that!
And all this done in spite of the military complaining from day 1, how they face a severe critical shortage of translators and interpreters for the war on terrorism.
As these new revelations unfold one can't help but think the lunatics are now in charge and running the 'Bush League' asylum.
Saw that story and remembered Rummy saying how "you fight a war with the army we got you....not the one you should have".... so I quess they figure this fits right in. Maybe they think getting gays are a higher priorty than saving US troops lives and body parts, ...GOP 'higher values' and all that!
And all this done in spite of the military complaining from day 1, how they face a severe critical shortage of translators and interpreters for the war on terrorism.
As these new revelations unfold one can't help but think the lunatics are now in charge and running the 'Bush League' asylum.
Ah yes, the famous "don't ask, don't tell" policy - what moral pillar gave us that one?
I think all people who are uptight about gays are just simple minded - but that's just me, and I'm in the vast minority.
OTB
I think all people who are uptight about gays are just simple minded - but that's just me, and I'm in the vast minority.
OTB
Nice turn of phrase. Thanks!onthebottom said:....I'm in the vast minority.
OTB
jwm
I am with you on this one. The whole "don't ask,don't tell" policy was a stupid compromise to please some army homophobes.onthebottom said:Ah yes, the famous "don't ask, don't tell" policy - what moral pillar gave us that one?
I think all people who are uptight about gays are just simple minded - but that's just me, and I'm in the vast minority.
OTB
Your sexual orientation should never matter, especially not if you are fighting for your country.
I have spend some time in the Army(in Germany). From experience I can tell you, that if you get a bunch of guys together in a high testosterone enviroment and add some booze to it....watch out. If the "pack" finds out that you gay, your life can be pretty miserable.Unfortunately the law can only protect you so much.
It will take society a generation or two to be more tolerant.
Horse manure. How exactly exactly is one's sexual orientation going to come up during any questioning?bbking said:This has what to do about Gays in the US military being fired as translators for Arabs. The real issue here is that the US military is being a little hesitant to put a "Gay Man" in fron of an Arab Muslim so as not offend the Arab. This is crap on so many levels but most importantly why are we concerned about offendind the Arab morals, they hardly give a rat's ass about ours.
bbk
"I'd like to ask you about insurgent activity in your town. By the by, I'm a poof. Just so you know."
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yychobbyist
The "gayness" of the interpreter would come out?
I'm kinda thinking that the guys who were fired didn't show up to their interviews wearing stockings and eye-liners and talking like Richard Simmons.
In my opinion, they were fired because they were gay. Period. It had nothing to do with their performance or anything. I think the very fact the American military flirted with the idea of creating a chemical weapon that would make enemy troops horny for each other shows the level of thought involved in the American military mind when it comes to homosexuality.
I'm kinda thinking that the guys who were fired didn't show up to their interviews wearing stockings and eye-liners and talking like Richard Simmons.
In my opinion, they were fired because they were gay. Period. It had nothing to do with their performance or anything. I think the very fact the American military flirted with the idea of creating a chemical weapon that would make enemy troops horny for each other shows the level of thought involved in the American military mind when it comes to homosexuality.
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yychobbyist
Sounds to me like the Muslim attitude against homosexuality is pretty much dead in line with the American military's attitude.bbking said:Like I said - it wasn't right and most likely was an excuse but I will stand by the idea that decission makers pushed their bigotry back back onto Muslims who have very strong views on this subject.
bbk
having been among the Arabs in the M.E., one of the things that struck me was their bigotry. As was explained to me by a Brit ex-pat resident, they have sort of a hierarchy of evolution, with Arabs on the top naturally. East Indians are on the lowest rung...not even qualified to be servants. Filipinos in the middle etc.bbking said:Like I said - it wasn't right and most likely was an excuse but I will stand by the idea that decission makers pushed their bigotry back back onto Muslims who have very strong views on this subject.
bbk
I didn't really fully get it, until one morning I was having breakfast in a hotel, and I witnessed a sheik scream at the top of his lungs, a at servant half way across the large room. The Arabs in the room, never batted an eye. Some Americans in the room along with myself, pretended not to notice..
It has nothing to do with it.bbking said:This has what to do about Gays in the US military being fired as translators for Arabs. The real issue here is that the US military is being a little hesitant to put a "Gay Man" in fron of an Arab Muslim so as not offend the Arab. This is crap on so many levels but most importantly why are we concerned about offendind the Arab morals, they hardly give a rat's ass about ours.
bbk
I was merely responding to a statement from OTB on the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
I would make that at least 70% of Americans and about 40% of Canadians (not politicians)..and probably close to 50% of the heterosexual population worldwide...this is just a gutfeel guess.yychobbyist said:Sounds to me like the Muslim attitude against homosexuality is pretty much dead in line with the American military's attitude.
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I don't know about that. I have this gut feeling that your average man in the military is perhaps not as liberal as those of us in the rest of society. I've met senior level people who that's certainly not true of but your average soldier is from a working class (or lower) family with a high school education and likely not as socially progressive as others when it comes to issues of gender.langeweile said:I would make that at least 70% of Americans and about 40% of Canadians (not politicians)..and probably close to 50% of the heterosexual population worldwide...this is just a gutfeel guess.
I agree with you on that. Like I said i was merely gueesing at the rest of the populationyychobbyist said:I don't know about that. I have this gut feeling that your average man in the military is perhaps not as liberal as those of us in the rest of society. I've met senior level people who that's certainly not true of but your average soldier is from a working class (or lower) family with a high school education and likely not as socially progressive as others when it comes to issues of gender.
