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WoodPeckr

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Is it no wonder OxyContin is the drug of choice for those in the GOP (include that dope addict Rush Limbaugh at the top of this list). To be a lapdog or lapuppy for Dubya you have to be on some mindnumbing substance to defend this fool.

Just have to love this past insightful quote:

He's not a moron, he's my friend. :D
Jean Chrétien, on GWB

From The Wichita Eagle:

Posted on Fri, Jan. 14, 2005


Scott Ritter was right about Iraq


RANDY SCHOLFIELD: RITTER RIGHT ABOUT IRAQ


President Bush has been handing out Presidential Medals of Freedom lately like they were Little League good sportsmanship ribbons.

The medal apparently is an award for good effort, even if the results aren't so winning.

He awarded one to former Iraq viceroy Paul Bremer, who most notably disbanded the Iraqi army, leading to our present security implosion.

And he gave one to George Tenet, the former CIA chief, who most notably presided over two of the most devastating intelligence failures in the nation's history: first Sept. 11, then Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

It was Tenet who told the president that finding weapons stockpiles in Iraq was a "slam dunk."

Right. Give that man a medal.

I'd like to nominate someone who really deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom: Scott Ritter.

Remember Ritter? In a column in 2002, I wrote about the square-jawed former U.S. Marine and United Nations weapons inspector, who was in Wichita several months before the invasion of Iraq, giving a talk -- no, a plea -- about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

He was adamant: Saddam Hussein had no WMDs -- at least none of any consequence or that posed an imminent danger to the United States. Certainly nothing that would warrant a rushed invasion. "We can't go to war based on rhetoric and speculation," he told the crowd. "We'd better make sure there is a threat out there worth fighting."

He argued that 90 percent to 95 percent of Saddam's WMDs had been dismantled by the U.N. inspection team in which he served from 1991 to 1998. And that Saddam was otherwise well-contained by U.S. forces.

Now we know: He was right.

You've probably heard that the Bush administration this week quietly called off the weapons search.

There aren't any WMD stockpiles. As in none. Zip. And, no, they weren't moved to Syria.

The weapons didn't exist.


True to form, Bush insisted this week that it didn't matter -- that's right, his main justification for taking this country into a bloody, costly war didn't matter. He would still have invaded Iraq!

Huh? That makes sense only if he had planned to invade Iraq all along, as critics charged.

I remember Ritter telling the largely anti-war audience at the Wichita church that he wasn't a pacifist. A proud U.S. Marine, he believed that it was sometimes necessary to go to war and fight. But he also believed that it was wrong to put American fighting men and women in harm's way without very good reason.

Ritter saw that his country was headed down a disastrous path and had the guts to speak out.

At the time, he took a lot of abuse from Bush loyalists. They questioned his motives, and his integrity. They compared him to Jane Fonda. They asked in mocking tones what exercise video he was making next.

He could be saying, "I told you so." Instead, he's speaking out on another security boondoggle -- the anti-missile defense shield program, which is costing U.S. taxpayers billions of dollars without the Pentagon even being able to prove that it works.

We're spending the national treasure on it, with nothing in the way of enhanced security to show for it. On the contrary, argues Ritter, it's unleashing a dangerous and pointless new arms race.

Will we listen to him now? Probably not.

But make no mistake: Scott Ritter is an American patriot who cares enough about his country to tell it the unvarnished truth.

Give that man a medal. He actually deserves it.

link:
http://www.kansas.com/mld/eagle/news/editorial/10638920.htm
 
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Interesting editorial. I met Scott Ritter just over a year ago when I heard him speak. Very interesting, intelligent and committed man who is very honest about his feelings towards the current POTUS.

Here's a link to an article he wrote awhile back

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0721-02.htm

P.S. see n_v, I'm learning.
 

WoodPeckr

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Good article especially considering it was written back on July 20, 2002.
The last paragraph says it all:
"The apparent unwillingness of Congress to exercise its constitutional mandate of oversight, especially with regard to matters of war, represents a serious blow to American democracy. By allowing the Bush administration, in its rush toward conflict with Iraq, to circumvent the concepts of democratic accountability, Congress is failing those to whom they are ultimately responsible - the American people."

American democracy is under attack more than ever as GWB's neocons (brown shirts) move the USA more and more from Democracy to Corporationism where Congress becomes more responsible and accountable to corporations rather than the American people.
 

Mcluhan

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WoodPeckr said:
Good article especially considering it was written back on July 20, 2002.
The last paragraph says it all:
"American democracy is under attack more than ever as GWB's neocons (brown shirts) move the USA more and more from Democracy to Corporationism where Congress becomes more responsible and accountable to corporations rather than the American people.
"Corporationism" moving toward "totalitarian corporationism". MIC has already has captured 50% of of the Federal Tax...how much farther can it go.

It begins with the cost of the election process...120 million is a lot of cash for joe public to raise...the POTUS position is beyond the reach of the average person.
 

WoodPeckr

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Mcluhan said:
"Corporationism" moving toward "totalitarian corporationism". MIC has already has captured 50% of of the Federal Tax...how much farther can it go.
I was thinking of "Corporationism" in the following sense.

Benito Mussolini - who knew something about fascism - had a more straightforward definition: “Fascism should more properly be called "corporatism" because it is the merger of state and corporate power.�

Abraham Lincoln also saw the danger and stated, “I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me, and causes me to tremble for the safety of our country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed.�

Pres. Dwight D. Eisenhower also warned about the dangers of the military/industrial complex which he knew and feared so well.

The small, but ruthless, group of men, the “money power� described by Lincoln, has stolen democracy from the American people. An ever-growing number of informed Americans, however, are fighting a brave, but desperate rear-guard action to retrieve that democracy. Will we give them our total support now, or simply sit back and watch as the entire planet is taken back to the dark ages? “The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.�

Taken from this link on a short history of "corporatism" in the USA past:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7553.htm
 

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Might also nominate Hans Blix, the UN's Chief Inspector in Iraq, who did all he could to save Dubya from himself and two countries from going to war over Cheney and Rumsfeld's fairy tale.
Fortunately most countries, including our own had better reality-recognizing skills than Britain, the US or their stooges. But for dogedly presenting the real truth in the face of derision and ad hominem attacks, Blix deserves a medal.
And I'd say Colin Powell, for loyally carrying out his boss's loony directives and earnestly trying to convince the UN of the lies he'd been fed, deserves some sort of good-soldier award.
 

Mcluhan

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WoodPeckr said:
I was thinking of "Corporationism" in the following sense.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7553.htm
Yes indeed, and I was just agreeing with you, just adding the word *Totalitarianism* to the phrase, which seems to be the direction US democracy is evolving to. When you have government funded by the corporates, and that governement acting on behalf of the corporates contra to the welfare of the people, especially in an openly scandalous way, and where the people's rights are diminished as a result. The MIC sucking/draining 50% of the federal Tax structure for make-war projects while the state health system suffers is a good example combined with the corporate owners subjugating the freedom of the media, all points in the direction of a Corporate Totalitarian state. It is of course a long way from the USSR of the 20th Century, but seems headed down that road.

Totalitarianism defined as: any political system in which a citizen is totally subject to a governing authority in all aspects of day-to-day life. It goes beyond authoritarianism, dictatorship, or police state, and even beyond those measures required to sustain total war between states. It involves constant indoctrination achieved by propaganda to erase any potential for dissent, by anyone, including most especially the agents of government.
 

Mcluhan

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oldjones said:
Might also nominate Hans Blix, the UN's Chief Inspector in Iraq, who did all he could to save Dubya from himself and two countries from going to war over Cheney and Rumsfeld's fairy tale.
Fortunately most countries, including our own had better reality-recognizing skills than Britain, the US or their stooges. But for dogedly presenting the real truth in the face of derision and ad hominem attacks, Blix deserves a medal.
And I'd say Colin Powell, for loyally carrying out his boss's loony directives and earnestly trying to convince the UN of the lies he'd been fed, deserves some sort of good-soldier award.
I feel Blix should be given the Nobel Peace prize actually, for having the guts to stand up under all the pressure, and to honestly conduct the effort to avert the current war. The farking sad thing is Tony Blair and George W. Bush were BOTH nominated for the 2004 Nobel award. Can you believe this maddness?? lol...Really, can you? I can't.
 

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Interesting that the big money contributors in the last election gave to the looser - I have to agree with pecker, guys like George Soros must be stopped. Time to close the 527 loophole in McCain Finegold.

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Mcluhan said:
"Corporationism" moving toward "totalitarian corporationism". MIC has already has captured 50% of of the Federal Tax...how much farther can it go.

It begins with the cost of the election process...120 million is a lot of cash for joe public to raise...the POTUS position is beyond the reach of the average person.
In which country is he in reach? Canada? Don't think so.

BTW I rather have people donating money, than the goverment taking it out of your pocket.
 

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onthebottom said:
Interesting that the big money contributors in the last election gave to the looser - I have to agree with pecker, guys like George Soros must be stopped. Time to close the 527 loophole in McCain Finegold.

OTB
Spoken like a true corporate 'bottom' but you fail to mention that those 'big money contributors' gave even more money to GWB and the GOP. Big Money gives to both sides lately so that big money always wins no matter who wins.

Funny you should single out Soros? Here's a little background on George Soros. George Soros, one of the world's richest men, has given away nearly $5 billion to promote democracy in the former Soviet bloc, Africa and Asia. Soros has financed efforts to promote open societies in more than 50 countries around the world. Soros believes that a "supremacist ideology" guides this Bush White House. He hears echoes in its rhetoric of his childhood in occupied Hungary. "When I hear Bush say, 'You're either with us or against us,' it reminds me of the Germans." It conjures up memories, he said, of Nazi slogans on the walls, Der Feind Hort mit ("The enemy is listening"). "My experiences under Nazi and Soviet rule have sensitized me," he said in a soft Hungarian accent.

link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24179-2003Nov10?language=printer

George Soros sounds like a true patriot defending democracy in the USA who should be applauded for his efforts as he attempts to save our country from the Corporate Elite who view people as merely expendables to be used solely as a means to their end of fattening their bottom line and nothing more.
 

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Pecker,

LOL

So you like the Corporate billionares who support your guy? Do you suppose you could apply your tinfoilhat logic to all that money Soros is spending?

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I posted in another thread roughly like this one about a USMC General named Smedley Darlington Butler. A Medal of Hono(u)r winner, he was basically forced out of the USMC because he saw (and later voiced his complaints) that the government at the time was hand in hand with big business and used the military to both their advantage. This was almost 100 years ago folks... looks like they're at it again. Do a search on him... a fascinating person.


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Bush's MORONIC LOGIC continues.....

Bush says re-election ratified policy in Iraq - no accountability needed
By JIM VANDEHEI and MICHAEL A. FLETCHER
Washington Post
1/16/2005

WASHINGTON - President Bush says the public has ratified his Iraq policy by re-electing him, leaving no reason to hold any administration official accountable for mistakes or misjudgments in planning the war or managing its violent aftermath.

"We had an accountability moment, and that's called the 2004 elections," he said in an interview with the Washington Post.

"The American people listened to different assessments made about what was taking place in Iraq, and they looked at the two candidates, and chose me."

With the Iraq elections two weeks away and no signs of a letup in the deadly insurgency abating, Bush set no timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops and twice declined to endorse Secretary of State Colin L. Powell's recent statement that the number of Americans serving in Iraq could be reduced by year's end.

Bush said he will not ask Congress to expand the National Guard or regular Army, as some lawmakers and military experts propose.

In a wide-ranging, 35-minute interview Friday aboard Air Force One, Bush also laid out new details of his second-term plans for both foreign and domestic policy. For the first time, Bush said he will not press senators to pass a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, the top priority for many social conservative groups.

With his inauguration just days away, Bush defended the administration's decision to force the District of Columbia to spend $12 million of its homeland security budget to provide tighter security for this week's festivities.

He also warned that the ceremony could make the city "an attractive target for terrorists."

"By providing security, hopefully that will provide comfort to people who are coming from all around the country to come and stay in the hotels in Washington and to be able to watch the different festivities," Bush said.

But Iraq will dominate White House deliberations off stage. In the coming weeks, Bush will closely monitor Iraq's plan for elections for a 275-member national assembly. He must deliver his State of the Union address with a message of resolve on Iraq, and he will need to seek Congressional approval for roughly $100 billion in emergency spending, much of it for the war.

In the interview, the president urged Americans to show patience in coming months as Iraq moves slowly toward replacing a brutal dictatorship with a democratic nation.

But pragmatism and caution sometimes replaced the relentless optimism that dominated Bush's speeches before the U.S. election.

"On a complicated matter such as removing a dictator from power and trying to help achieve democracy, sometimes the unexpected will happen, both good and bad," he said. "I am realistic about how quickly a society that has been dominated by a tyrant can become a democracy. . . . I am more patient than some."

Last week, Powell said the United States could reduce its troop levels this year. But Bush citing the need to defeat the insurgency and plant a new and sustainable government, called that assessment premature.

He also declined to pledge to significantly reduce the U.S. troop level before the end of his second term in January 2009.
 
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