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Interesting numbers from Harper's

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Yes, I know, Harper's. Scoff all you like, their numbers are always independently verified.

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Factor by which an Iraqi is more likely to die today than in the last year of the Hussein regime: 2.5

Factor by which the cause of death is more likely violence: 58


This from a study done by Johns Hopkins. The "life will be better for the average Iraqi" line was the final front of moral defense for the Iraqi War, and it too is slowly being lost.

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In three states that relied extensively on paper ballots (Illinois, Maine, Wisconsin) the exit polls corresponded to the final tally. In six states that relied extensively on electronic touchscreens (North Carolina, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio) the discrepancy between the exit polls and the final tally invariably favored Bush.

Exit polls in states equipped with verifiable paper receipts corresponded to the final tally; in states employing electronic touch screens the margin of difference between exit polls and the final tallies was a high as 5, 7, and 9 percent.


Sure, sure - LOL TIN FOIL HAT LOL. The election is over and nothing will change that - but is it possible, just possible, that it was the exit polls that were right all along, and they arn't actually as unreliable as we've been telling ourselves? The American people owe it to themselves to ask.
 

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DM,

Can you provide the link to the first point?

I'll take the tin foil hat on the second, and a trip to King County Washington.

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I knew it, BBking was right. Kerry by 10%.
 

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Ranger68

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Who cares how they're done? You think the manner in which they're performed might bias them towards one side or another?
LOL

That was an interesting link from Hopkins. Of course, there are those in here who maintain that the shit didn't hit the fan when the US invaded - that things were just as bad (or worse) before.
Yeah. Rrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiight.
 

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Ranger68 said:
Who cares how they're done? You think the manner in which they're performed might bias them towards one side or another?
I understand that studies have found that posters are less likely to approach big black men leaving the polls and others that they feel are intimidating. However, I don’t see how that would bias exit polls against Bush. If anything, I would have expected the opposite bias as blacks have a reputation of voting democratic.
 

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All ex-colonial countries - Iraq, Sudan, Rwanda .......
 
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Again, the question to my mind is not whether the exit polls were inaccurate - but why in every case they were "inaccurate" in favour of Kerry. To my mind, bias had to exist somewhere, either in the exit polling or - and this is far more disturbing - in the real electronic polls.

And is anybody else freaked out by the fact that it's the middle of January and we're having a thunderstorm in Toronto?
 

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Yeah, I thought the thunder was pretty queer .......
 

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What is this Fahrenheit of which you speak? I think there was a movie last year which used the word, but it came from a country which is apparently not familiar with the last two decades of the 20th century, let alone the 21st.
 

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Here is a link to CNN's exit polls http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html , they show Bush winning. I'm not sure you're getting good information. Didn't see anything about the process. I've always assumed they stop people when leaving the polls (which wouldn't work very well for military or absentee votes). Looks like they polled 13k voters just in Ohio.

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