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Iraq battling more than 200,000 insurgents: intel chief

Mcluhan

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check this out...

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Iraq battling more than 200,000 insurgents: intelligence chief

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BAGHDAD, Jan 3 (AFP) - Iraq's insurgency counts more than 200,000 active fighters and sympathisers, the country's national intelligence chief told AFP, in the bleakest assessment to date of the armed revolt waged by Sunni Muslims.
"I think the resistance is bigger than the US military in Iraq. I think the resistance is more than 200,000 people," Iraqi intelligence service director General Mohamed Abdullah Shahwani said in an interview ahead of the January 30 elections.
Shahwani said the number includes at least 40,000 hardcore fighters but rises to more than 200,000 members counting part-time fighters and volunteers who provide rebels everything from intelligence and logistics to shelter.
The numbers far exceed any figure presented by the US military in Iraq, which has struggled to get a handle on the size of the resistance since toppling Saddam Hussein's regime in April 2003.
 

Mcluhan

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The insurgents are fighting against will of the American people...the American people are fighting against the will of Allah's people.

God has 59 million on his side, Allah considerably more.

One would think Allah and God could just sit down and work this out. Seems a lot simpler.
 

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Mcluhan said:

One would think Allah and God could just sit down and work this out. Seems a lot simpler.
Problem is they don't think each other exist.
 

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Originally posted by yychobbyist You know what's really freaky? I think Allah and God are the same thing. And, if I'm right then this whole thing is just about some power hungry zealots who want to destroy others who do not think exactly as they do.
The "Amerikkka" rabble will think you are speaking of neocons, I think you're talking about people who cut a womans head off in the name of "God".

OTB
 

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Mcluhan!!!

Your link does not work!!!

Just wondering on where the Iraqi Intelligence Service Director got that number?
The insurgents themselves probably don't know how many of them there are in total.
Lately, there have not been many American deaths and the insurgents have been targeting softer targets (Iraqi civilians and security forces).

Could be a sign that the United States military and Iraqi security forces are putting a hurt on the insurgents and curtailing their capabilities to launch effective attacks. Or then again, it could be just a lull til another major offensive is brought on by the insurgents.

Hopefully, for Iraq's sake it is the former!!!
 

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The above link was from a Turkish daily...now I just found an article from the UK www.timesonline.co.uk

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1425022,00.html

Same news item coverage, slightly different content.

I doubt CNN will report this somehow.
 

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ran into this on the national post website... seems this recent intel statement about the '200,000' resistance size is rippling thru the media in many variations

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=fa274c03-726b-413e-a3b1-1dca5e5c821a

Ned Parker
Agence France-Presse, with files from The Daily Telegraph


January 4, 2005


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BAGHDAD - The Islamic Army in Iraq, one of the main armed groups fighting U.S. forces in the war-torn country, has threatened to carry out attacks inside the United States, according to a statement posted on a Web site yesterday.

This year "will bring woes on America. The mujahedeen [holy warriors] have prepared big surprises for your sons outside America and a big surprise for you inside America," said the statement, the authenticity of which could not be confirmed.

The statement appeared to mark a disturbing shift in strategy by the shadowy Sunni Muslim group that has claimed a number of attacks and killings of hostages in Iraq, including an Italian journalist and two Pakistanis.

The mujahedeen "will take the battle from inside our country [Iraq] to yours," the statement said.

"We address you after you finished celebrating the new year, hoping that you are no longer drunk.... We will give American civilians a taste of what civilians in our country go through," said the statement, presented as a "message to the American people."

The statement, which described Americans as "uncivilized" and "ignorant," claimed that "the whole world" hates the United States.

"Are you aware that the number of those who support striking America on its own turf has greatly increased?" it said.

"Last year was a picnic for your soldiers [in Iraq]. The year 2005 will witness a quantitative and qualitative change in the operations against your army, which will go down in history," the statement said.

The Islamic Army was one of three militant groups, along with the al-Qaeda-linked Ansar al-Sunna and the previously unknown Army of the Mujahedeen, that warned in an Internet statement last week that they would strike at anyone taking part in Iraqi elections this month.

"Those who participate in this dirty farce will not be sheltered from the blows of the mujahedeen," the statement said.

Militant groups have mounted an increasingly effective insurgency against U.S.-led troops inside Iraq, particularly on their home turf in Sunni Arab areas north and west of the capital.

A suicide bomber from Ansar al-Sunna managed to infiltrate a U.S. base in the northern city of Mosul last month and blow himself up inside the mess tent, killing 22 people in the deadliest single strike against the U.S. military since the March, 2003, invasion.

The Iraqi government's intelligence chief said yesterday he believes the insurgents wreaking havoc across the country outnumber the U.S. forces stationed there.

General Mohammad Shahwani said there are an estimated 200,000 partisans in Iraq, although he believed their hard-core fighters number about 40,000.

Asked whether the insurgents were winning, Gen. Shahwani said: "They are not losing."

But none of the insurgent groups has claimed an attack outside Iraq, and their ability to operate outside their home territory remains unproven.

The Islamic Army nevertheless boasts a grisly record of kidnapping and murder inside Iraq.

Since its first statements in March, it has rarely failed to deliver on its ultimatums and did not hesitate to execute Italian journalist Enzo Baldoni, correspondent for the weekly Diario della Settimana, and two Pakistanis it was holding.

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The sooner the US is defeated and leaves, the better it will be for everyone.
Of course, if the US citizens really want more of their soldiers coming home in body-bags just to support the current President's campaign of militaristic expansionism, who am I to argue?

No, it's CLEAR the terrorist threat isn't growing.
:rolleyes:
 

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Ranger68 said:
The sooner the US is defeated and leaves, the better it will be for everyone.
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You're an asshat, an insignificant immature irresponsible asshat.

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LOL
Keep 'em coming.
Come on, tell us - does "onthebottom" refer to your test scores in school or your favourite gay sex position?
;)
 

Mcluhan

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Well, as Powell said, 'You break it, you own it'

Although I do not agree with the invasion, I think we have to get over that phase of the angst and deal with the fact that the US is there. Now what? Obviously they cannot turn tail and run. Obviously they have to rebuild Iraq. It is quagmire... The war debt will hit 1 trillion before this is over IMHO (maybe only 800 billion, but whatever, it a large sum). There is no one answer I think.

Consider if democracy was actually spread through out the M.E., it would topple most of the OPEC current regimes...can we over here afford that? I don't think so... can we afford oil at 120/b...'cause it could easily go there, if the M.E. applecart was upset a la Shaw of Iran style.

Like it or lump it, the US is in trouble, and it affects the world economy. I would rather be sitting sqabbling over what to do in Iraq, that looking down at a handful of Yuan in my pocket book.
 

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Ranger68 said:
LOL
Keep 'em coming.
Come on, tell us - does "onthebottom" refer to your test scores in school or your favourite gay sex position?
;)
Nice Comeback

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Now what??
The US should leave, and let the Iraqis rebuild the mess. No good is going to come of the US staying. Any situation they leave is going to crash down around the Iraqis shortly after they do. The US is merely prolonging the inevitable - the collapse of any government put into power by a foreign aggressor.
The longer the US stays, the more soldiers will come home in bags, the more Iraqis will be killed, the more terrorists will be created.

HOW are they going to "rebuild" Iraq? BTW, that's not even their goal. They've indicated MANY TIMES that the US "does not do nation-building".

They need to leave, and suffer the defeat.
 

Mcluhan

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If they leave, the country will fall under the control if Iran, within a short time. Would you like to see that ranger68...I can't somehow believe you would. I wouldn't.
 
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