Well I do know something about Newfoundland and I would say that things are not that clear cut. Normally, I would be the last person to defend Martin but when he promised to end the claw back I really don’t think anyone intend it to mean that Newfoundland would continue to receive equalization even if someday their fiscal capacity exceeded Ontario’s fiscal capacity (which is all they are arguing about).Ranger68 said:If any of you understood shit about Newfoundland you wouldn't be calling *Williams* out, but *Martin* for so aggregiously breaking a hard promise regarding oil revenues.
If Newfoundland separated, it would be *their* oil.
OK, so I know NOTHING about Newfoundland (other than it's a dog breed and Canadian Province). Can you give me the 3 PP overview of the issue - what use is TERB if you can't learn something....someone said:Well I do know something about Newfoundland and I would say that things are not that clear cut. Normally, I would be the last person to defend Martin but when he promised to end the claw back I really don’t think anyone intend it to mean that Newfoundland would continue to receive equalization even if someday their fiscal capacity exceeded Ontario’s fiscal capacity (which is all they are arguing about).
As far as separation is concerned, you’re right that it would be their oil. However, although a lot of people here like wearing “Free Newfoundland� t-shirts and the like, I think that it is very unlikely that they would do anything as foolish as actually separate.
I didn’t want to get into all the details myself so I just copied the following URL for the National Post’s webpage (I prefer the Globe myself but when I searched their site the only good stuff seemed to require a subscription).onthebottom said:OK, so I know NOTHING about Newfoundland (other than it's a dog breed and Canadian Province). Can you give me the 3 PP overview of the issue - what use is TERB if you can't learn something....
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No, it's NOT all they're arguing about. Williams has said REPEATEDLY that that's not what it's about.someone said:Well I do know something about Newfoundland and I would say that things are not that clear cut. Normally, I would be the last person to defend Martin but when he promised to end the claw back I really don’t think anyone intend it to mean that Newfoundland would continue to receive equalization even if someday their fiscal capacity exceeded Ontario’s fiscal capacity (which is all they are arguing about).
As far as separation is concerned, you’re right that it would be their oil. However, although a lot of people here like wearing “Free Newfoundland� t-shirts and the like, I think that it is very unlikely that they would do anything as foolish as actually separate.
I'll read that, thanks.someone said:I didn’t want to get into all the details myself so I just copied the following URL for the National Post’s webpage (I prefer the Globe myself but when I searched their site the only good stuff seemed to require a subscription).
http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=4f923c60-d1a5-4842-8932-e15bd215a1ba
Since we invaded you perhaps, or the last 150 years.....yychobbyist said:What part of our history are you interested in?
Touchy touchy ..hit a nerve asshole?Ranger68 said:If any of you understood shit about Newfoundland you wouldn't be calling *Williams* out, but *Martin* for so aggregiously breaking a hard promise regarding oil revenues.
If Newfoundland separated, it would be *their* oil.
I agree. BUT, the problem is, the whole province has gone to hell in a handbasket since the cod stocks were destroyed - on *Canadian federal* watch, not *Republic of Newfoundland* watch.yychobbyist said:I've been to Corner Brook and you know, you're right. It sucks there. I won't argue with you.
I should have been more detailed in what I said as what I meant was that our oil industry went through much worse than yours is.
The cod stocks were destroyed because the industry was treated like a job creation project. The objective was to keep people fishing and plants running for long enough for people in unviable out ports to collect there EI for the rest of the year. It is sad to see a why of life end, but the truth is that for many years the out ports were dependent on federal money for survival and should have been allowed to die long ago (with perhaps assistance for resettle meant of the type Smallwood offered in an earlier attempt to rationalize the out ports.Ranger68 said:I agree. BUT, the problem is, the whole province has gone to hell in a handbasket since the cod stocks were destroyed - on *Canadian federal* watch, not *Republic of Newfoundland* watch.
It's a bloody mess in Newfoundland, economically, and this oil could really pull them out.
Well I see him on the news most nights and I have never seen him give a clear explanation as to what it is about. However, I did here him say the other night that he as a Newfoundlander before he is a Canadian (elsewhere I have argued that outside of Ontario most of Canada is like that but usually the premers don't say it openly). If you have clear statement where he explains what it is about, by all means post it.Ranger68 said:No, it's NOT all they're arguing about. Williams has said REPEATEDLY that that's not what it's about.
If you want something very readable, I would recommend anything by Pierre Berton. The next time you’re in T.O. (or any Canadian city) you will find a tone of books by him in any bookstore. However, they tend to be about specific events (e.g. Vimy Ridge, the War of 1812, etc.) I am don’t know of any overview of Canadian history he has done.onthebottom said:I'll read that, thanks.
Any good books on Canadian history anyone can suggest, if I'm going to hobby and "love thy neighbor" I may as well know her.
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