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I’m just curious as to what the reaction here is to Danny Williams ordering the Canadian flag to be taken down from all provincial government buildings (as well the Newfoundland municipalities that followed his lead).
 

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Kinda silly if you ask me. When the Spanish and Portugese come fishing off their coast is he going to send out the Newfounland Coast gaurd?
 

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If any of you understood shit about Newfoundland you wouldn't be calling *Williams* out, but *Martin* for so aggregiously breaking a hard promise regarding oil revenues.

If Newfoundland separated, it would be *their* oil.
 

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Ranger68 said:
If any of you understood shit about Newfoundland you wouldn't be calling *Williams* out, but *Martin* for so aggregiously breaking a hard promise regarding oil revenues.

If Newfoundland separated, it would be *their* oil.
Well I do know something about Newfoundland and I would say that things are not that clear cut. Normally, I would be the last person to defend Martin but when he promised to end the claw back I really don’t think anyone intend it to mean that Newfoundland would continue to receive equalization even if someday their fiscal capacity exceeded Ontario’s fiscal capacity (which is all they are arguing about).

As far as separation is concerned, you’re right that it would be their oil. However, although a lot of people here like wearing “Free Newfoundland� t-shirts and the like, I think that it is very unlikely that they would do anything as foolish as actually separate.
 

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Well I do know something about Newfoundland and I would say that things are not that clear cut. Normally, I would be the last person to defend Martin but when he promised to end the claw back I really don’t think anyone intend it to mean that Newfoundland would continue to receive equalization even if someday their fiscal capacity exceeded Ontario’s fiscal capacity (which is all they are arguing about).

As far as separation is concerned, you’re right that it would be their oil. However, although a lot of people here like wearing “Free Newfoundland� t-shirts and the like, I think that it is very unlikely that they would do anything as foolish as actually separate.
OK, so I know NOTHING about Newfoundland (other than it's a dog breed and Canadian Province). Can you give me the 3 PP overview of the issue - what use is TERB if you can't learn something....

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onthebottom said:
OK, so I know NOTHING about Newfoundland (other than it's a dog breed and Canadian Province). Can you give me the 3 PP overview of the issue - what use is TERB if you can't learn something....

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I didn’t want to get into all the details myself so I just copied the following URL for the National Post’s webpage (I prefer the Globe myself but when I searched their site the only good stuff seemed to require a subscription).

http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=4f923c60-d1a5-4842-8932-e15bd215a1ba
 

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Well I do know something about Newfoundland and I would say that things are not that clear cut. Normally, I would be the last person to defend Martin but when he promised to end the claw back I really don’t think anyone intend it to mean that Newfoundland would continue to receive equalization even if someday their fiscal capacity exceeded Ontario’s fiscal capacity (which is all they are arguing about).

As far as separation is concerned, you’re right that it would be their oil. However, although a lot of people here like wearing “Free Newfoundland� t-shirts and the like, I think that it is very unlikely that they would do anything as foolish as actually separate.
No, it's NOT all they're arguing about. Williams has said REPEATEDLY that that's not what it's about.
 

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Newfoundland is suffering far more than anyone else in recent memory anywhere in this country.
It's disgusting that our PM would lie so baldly. Disgusting, but not surprising.

With all due respect, Albertans did NOT go through a shit-load worse than Newfoundland is now. You've obviously never been there.
 

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I didn’t want to get into all the details myself so I just copied the following URL for the National Post’s webpage (I prefer the Globe myself but when I searched their site the only good stuff seemed to require a subscription).

http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=4f923c60-d1a5-4842-8932-e15bd215a1ba
I'll read that, thanks.

Any good books on Canadian history anyone can suggest, if I'm going to hobby and "love thy neighbor" I may as well know her.

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What part of our history are you interested in?
Since we invaded you perhaps, or the last 150 years.....

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Ranger68 said:
If any of you understood shit about Newfoundland you wouldn't be calling *Williams* out, but *Martin* for so aggregiously breaking a hard promise regarding oil revenues.

If Newfoundland separated, it would be *their* oil.
Touchy touchy ..hit a nerve asshole?
 

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yychobbyist - just treating him how he treats others on this board.
 

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n_v has it in for me, yychobbyist - ever since I called out his crappy team during the playoffs the last twelve seasons or so that we've thrashed them out.
LOL
I've long since put him on Ignore.
:)
You'd do well to do the same.
 

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yychobbyist said:
I've been to Corner Brook and you know, you're right. It sucks there. I won't argue with you.

I should have been more detailed in what I said as what I meant was that our oil industry went through much worse than yours is.
I agree. BUT, the problem is, the whole province has gone to hell in a handbasket since the cod stocks were destroyed - on *Canadian federal* watch, not *Republic of Newfoundland* watch.

It's a bloody mess in Newfoundland, economically, and this oil could really pull them out.
 

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Ranger68 said:
I agree. BUT, the problem is, the whole province has gone to hell in a handbasket since the cod stocks were destroyed - on *Canadian federal* watch, not *Republic of Newfoundland* watch.

It's a bloody mess in Newfoundland, economically, and this oil could really pull them out.
The cod stocks were destroyed because the industry was treated like a job creation project. The objective was to keep people fishing and plants running for long enough for people in unviable out ports to collect there EI for the rest of the year. It is sad to see a why of life end, but the truth is that for many years the out ports were dependent on federal money for survival and should have been allowed to die long ago (with perhaps assistance for resettle meant of the type Smallwood offered in an earlier attempt to rationalize the out ports.
 

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No, it's NOT all they're arguing about. Williams has said REPEATEDLY that that's not what it's about.
Well I see him on the news most nights and I have never seen him give a clear explanation as to what it is about. However, I did here him say the other night that he as a Newfoundlander before he is a Canadian (elsewhere I have argued that outside of Ontario most of Canada is like that but usually the premers don't say it openly). If you have clear statement where he explains what it is about, by all means post it.

Don't get me wrong, in many, many, many ways he is much better than Grimes was. Indeed, I even voted for Willaims. However, I find his current behavour very questionable.
 

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onthebottom said:
I'll read that, thanks.

Any good books on Canadian history anyone can suggest, if I'm going to hobby and "love thy neighbor" I may as well know her.

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If you want something very readable, I would recommend anything by Pierre Berton. The next time you’re in T.O. (or any Canadian city) you will find a tone of books by him in any bookstore. However, they tend to be about specific events (e.g. Vimy Ridge, the War of 1812, etc.) I am don’t know of any overview of Canadian history he has done.
 

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YYC, you got me on the last one LOL,

Sounds like the two volume set would do it. I hope the use and history of "eh" is covered - that and curling are probably the second volume eh (did I do that right).

We have a number of resource rich states, including Alaska where every reident pays no state taxes and gets a 900 check from oil and gas taxes. Resource welfare babies, why not just make something?

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if the newfs don't want any canadian flags in the province - lets help them - keep all the government cheques with the canadian flag out of the province.
 
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