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http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200412300838.asp

Great list of suggestions for the left:

Remember that multilateral inaction — whether in the Balkans, Rwanda, or Darfur — is often calculated, selfish, and far more lethal to millions than risky interventions like removing the Taliban and Saddam.

Quit idolizing Europe. It was a far larger arms merchant to Saddam than was the United States; it supplied most of Dr. Khan’s nuclear laboratory; it financed much of the Oil-for-Food scandal; and it helped to create and tolerate the Balkans genocide. It has never freed any country or intervened to remove fascism and leave behind democracy — silly American notions that are to be caricatured except when it is a matter of saving Europeans.

Stop seeing an all-powerful United States behind every global problem. China is on the move and far more likely to disrupt environmental protocols, cheat on trade accords, and bully neighbors. The newly expanded Europe has a larger population and aggregate economy, stronger currency, and far less in trade and budget debts than does the United States — and is already using that economic clout for its own interests, not global freedom from dictators and autocrats.

Don't believe much of what the U.N. says anymore. Its secretary general is guilty of either malfeasance or incompetence, its soldiers are often hired thugs who terrorize those they are supposed to protect, and its resolutions are likely to be anti-democratic and anti-Semitic. Its members include dozens of nations whose odious representatives we would not let walk inside the doors of the U.S. Congress. The old idea of a United Nations was inspiring, the current reality chilling.

Stop seeing socialists and anti-Americans as Democrats. When a Michael Moore compares beheaders to our own Minutemen and laments that too many Democrats were in the World Trade Center, he deserves no platform alongside Wesley Clark or a seat next to Jimmy Carter or praise for his pseudo-dramas from high Democrats. Firebrands like Al Sharpton and Michael Moore are the current leftist equivalents of 1950s right-wing extremists like the John Birchers. They should suffer the same fate of ostracism, not bemused and tacit approval.

Ignore most grim international reports that show the United States as stingy, greedy, or uncaring based on some esoteric formula that makes a Sweden or Denmark out as the world's savior. Such "studies" always ignore aggregate dollars and look at per capita public giving, and yet somehow ignore things like over $100 billion to Afghanistan and Iraq or $15 billion pledged to fight AIDS in Africa. These academic white papers likewise forget private donations, because most of the American billionaires who give to global causes of various sorts do so as either individuals or through foundations. No mention is made of the hundred of millions that are handled by American Christian charities. And the idea of a stingy America never mentions about $200 billion of the Pentagon's budget, which does things like keeping the Persian Gulf open to world commerce; protecting Europe; ensuring that the Aegean is free of shooting and that the waters between China, Korea, Taiwan, and Japan are relatively tranquil; and stopping nasty folk like the Taliban and Saddam from blowing up more Buddha monuments, desecrating Babylon, or ruining the ecology of the Tigris-Euphrates wetlands.


Cheers,

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Well said,well done!
 

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Perfect!

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What an empire! What is next to conquer?
 

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Reading this article on the URL led me to read Herbert Hoover's biographical sketch on the 31st President of the US http://hoover.archives.gov/education/hooverbio.html

Whew...most so called great men of our modern world would be lucky to claim one tenth of the greatness Hoover achieved in a lifetime. A minor note of interest is that his mother was a school teacher from Ontario.

I found it absolutely astonishing that Hoover who rose from modest mid-west Quaker roots, then an up and coming mining engineer in London, managed to raise ONE BILLION dollars in relief funds 1914-17 to feed eleven million people in Belgium and northern France, who where starving under control of the German forces. What is the value of One Billion dollars in 2004 currency? Amazing. And Canada is 'proudly' contributing 40 million to the Indian Ocean Basin disaster relief. The UK 90 million, and the US somewhere in the middle. A region where some 5 million people are without fresh water... what a different world today.
 

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Mcluhan said:
I found it absolutely astonishing that Hoover who rose from modest mid-west Quaker roots, then an up and coming mining engineer in London, managed to raise ONE BILLION dollars in relief funds 1914-17 to feed eleven million people in Belgium and northern France, who where starving under control of the German forces. What is the value of One Billion dollars in 2004 currency? Amazing. And Canada is 'proudly' contributing 40 million to the Indian Ocean Basin disaster relief. The UK 90 million, and the US somewhere in the middle. A region where some 5 million people are without fresh water... what a different world today.
I do believe all the leaders said this is only a first wave. They all said money will continue to flow into the region. The movie isn't over.
 

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You will be pleased to know that Condoleeza Rice is a fellow of the Hoover institute.
 

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danmand said:
You will be pleased to know that Condoleeza Rice is a fellow of the Hoover institute.
lol... touché! Surprised? No more so than to recognise that the US went back into Nicaragua to fight the red peril in a latin american jungle..

The President's 'other' wife...and they call him a racist! lol
 

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Originally posted by n_v I do believe all the leaders said this is only a first wave. They all said money will continue to flow into the region. The movie isn't over.
Powell said yeasterday the US was in not just for the relief effort but the rebuilding as well - I can see us spending there for 5-10 years.

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I must have too much time on my hands...I just calculated a straightline index for inflating 1 billion of 1917 dollars into 2004 $ using 3%

13 billion.

I venture to say that it will take at least 10 years to re-build the infrastructure destroyed by those minutes of nature's wrath. I heard on CNN last night that this 9.0 quake lasted for 5 minutes...I can't imagine that. Once on the west coast, I was laying in bed on the snd floor at about 9PM just idly staring at the ceiling. There was a minor quake about 300 miles to the south. I felt the house sway from side to side. My heart jumped into my throat. 5 minutes is an eternally long time to endure the terror of that feeling. I wanted to sleep in a tree that night.
 

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onthebottom said:
Powell said yeasterday the US was in not just for the relief effort but the rebuilding as well
That is what I meant, in addition to other countries long term plnas to rebuild the area .. thanks
onthebottom said:
I can see us spending there for 5-10 years.
This clean up and rebuilding won't take that long.
 

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Originally posted by DonQuixote Interesting point of reference. The Bush administration's first pledge was $35Million. The Bush inauguration will cost $40Million. Of course, private funding will pay for GWBs party. That makes it OK. The outpouring of generosity is called compassionate conservatism, aka what's in it for ME
Silly DQ, Clintons 96 cost 1.7 more. Limo liberal?

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DQ, I told you the number would go up - if we don't spend a billion I'll help bbk eat his "Kerry by 10%" crow.

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If you don't spend a billion methinks that the Muslim world will think you left, among others, the largest Muslim nation in the world to rot. And that cannot be a good thing for the U.S.
The Muslim majority of Indonesia will take whatever the US gives, complain that it wasn’t enough and then continue to wage war on the Christians and the Buddhists in the area.

Don’t forget, they were the ones the killed all those people in Bala, they danced in the streets during 911, they burned a church during Sunday service and then machine gunned the people as they ran out.

They were hit first by the Tsunami but they neglected to warn anyone else.
 

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..I read the first line, ya Iraq is not a mess, oh boy, silly frat type logic, say it pompously and people will just accept it as fact.
Iraq is now and will only continue to become a bigger and bigger mess.
Just like in Nam all those predicting success will be revealed as fools.
 

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yychobbyist said:
If you don't spend a billion methinks that the Muslim world will think you left, among others, the largest Muslim nation in the world to rot. And that cannot be a good thing for the U.S.
Left them to rot, say, like the Muslim nations themselves are?

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assoholic said:
..I read the first line, ya Iraq is not a mess, oh boy, silly frat type logic, say it pompously and people will just accept it as fact.
Iraq is now and will only continue to become a bigger and bigger mess.
Just like in Nam all those predicting success will be revealed as fools.
The first line of what, have you not been taking your meds again.....

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onthebottom said:
DQ, I told you the number would go up - if we don't spend a billion I'll help bbk eat his "Kerry by 10%" crow.

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You herd it hear first!

U.S. Tsunami Aid May Be Billions of
Dollars - Senator
By Randall Mikkelsen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States may eventually spend billions of dollars to help Asia recover from last week's devastating tsunami, a leading Republican U.S. senator said on Sunday as the Bush administration battled criticism it had been slow to respond
The $350 million in aid pledged so far by President Bush (news - web sites) represents the entire U.S. foreign disaster assistance budget, and Congress will work to pass emergency legislation to go "well beyond" that figure, said Sen. Richard Lugar (news, bio, voting record), an Indiana Republican and head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Lugar, asked on "Fox News Sunday" whether U.S. aid could reach billions of dollars, said "ultimately there could be, given all that is occurring in Indonesia."
An earthquake and subsequent tsunami last Sunday devastated coastal areas in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Thailand, India and as far away as East Africa. The death toll will probably exceed 150,000, and recovery could take five to 10 years and cost billions of dollars, U.N. officials said.

Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) set off on a visit to the region and will participate in an aid-donors' conference in Jakarta on Thursday. He defended the Bush administration against complaints it took too long to comprehend the scale of the crisis or respond with money.
"We have nothing to be embarrassed about. Our response scaled up as the scope of the disaster scaled up," Powell said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Bush, who returned to Washington on Sunday from a Christmas break at his Texas ranch, had been following the disaster "very closely from the beginning," Powell told CNN's "Late Edition." As of Sunday, the U.S. military had delivered 430,000 pounds (195,000 kg) of food, supplies and equipment for immediate relief in the tsunami-stricken region, spokesmen for the U.S. Pacific Command in Hawaii said at a briefing.
Some 12,000 U.S. military personnel had been deployed to aid the tsunami relief effort, most of them aboard Navy ships and U.S. ships and aircraft also were ferrying aid from other donors, the spokesmen said.

The Asian disaster caused tens of billions of dollars of damage, and as many as 5 million people may need assistance, U.N. emergency relief coordinator Jan Egeland told Fox. He told a news conference 1.8 million people now needed food aid.

'ENORMOUS DEVASTATION'

The recovery could take five to 10 years, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) said. "The devastation is enormous. It will require billions of dollars. Of course, the governments themselves will have to do what they can. But they need international support to be able to do it," Annan said on ABC's "This Week."
So far, countries have pledged $2 billion in assistance, led by Japan's contribution of $500 million. The World Bank (news - web sites)'s contribution could rise by two to three times the $250 million already offered, bank President James Wolfensohn told ABC.
The U.S. Congress passed $13.6 billion in domestic disaster aid last October, mostly for Florida, a state which was vital to Bush's campaign for reelection and which was struck by four hurricanes. Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the U.S. president's brother and a possible candidate to succeed him in 2008, accompanied Powell on the Asia trip.

A possible source of additional U.S. assistance for Asia could be money earmarked for reconstruction in Iraq (news - web sites), lawmakers said. That money has remained unspent due to a violent insurgency.

Powell disputed accusations that the United States had failed to deliver on past aid pledges. "When we pledge an amount, we plan to deliver that amount," he said.

Egeland, who drew a sharp rebuke from Bush last week after he said rich countries had been relatively stingy with foreign aid in the past, said the United States and other countries had been generous in their response to the tsunami.

But he defended his assertion that wealthy countries could do more to help poor ones. "I will always be of the view that as the rich world is getting richer -- Europe, North America, Japan, Asia, the Gulf countries -- it should be possible to feed all the world's children, and we are not at the moment," he said. (Additional reporting by Tom Ferraro and Charles Abbott)


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