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MM has done it again ;-)

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If only.....

OTB:

Michael Moore Urges Democrats to Embrace Hollywood


“Fahrenheit 9/11� director Michael Moore on Monday rejected the idea that Hollywood had hurt John Kerry’s chances of winning the White House, insisting that he and other entertainers helped spare Democrats an even bigger defeat.

“For the last month, we’ve had to listen to a lot of conservative pundits talk about how Democrats need to run away from Hollywood,� Moore said. “It’s actually the opposite. Democrats need to embrace Hollywood because this is where they need to come to learn how to tell a story.�

In the final analysis, Moore said, Democratic presidential nominee Kerry was “not the best candidate.� President Bush “had a more compelling story to tell and the Democrats didn’t, and that has to change.�

Moore, making a string of public appearances in the weeks leading up to the Oscar nominations, for which “Fahrenheit 9/11� is seen as a potential contender, spoke to reporters before addressing the Los Angeles World Affairs Council on the impact of filmmaking on politics.

Before the election, many Democrats and liberal activists in groups like MoveOn.org hailed “Fahrenheit 9/11� for its scathing critique of Bush and the U.S.-led war in Iraq and saw the film as a tool for rallying opposition.

After Bush’s re-election last month, some analysts suggested that Moore and other outspoken celebrities on the left had had become polarizing figures who alienated Middle America as much as they galvanized the Democratic faithful.

But Moore said he and liberal activists, including show business figures, had helped turn out millions of new voters who backed the Democrats on Election Day.

“What ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’ and Bruce Springsteen and MoveOn and all the other people that were working during this election, what we did was we prevented a Bush landslide,� Moore said. “We’re all going to continue to do this in the near future. No one’s giving up.�

Citing California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and former President Ronald Reagan, Moore said, “America loves Hollywood. America loves the people in the movies and on TV. And the thing that the Republicans have already figured out is that America likes to vote for Hollywood…

“And I think we need to turn to Hollywood, because who wouldn’t vote for Tom Hanks or Paul Newman or Robert Redford or Oprah?"
 

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So the leader of the free world should now become a popularity contest? God I hope not. Because if true then I would really pity the old USA.

This guy does more damage to the Democrats each time he opens his mouth.
 

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The fact that Bush is back in the White IS because the last election was a personality contest. Bush is seen as a down-home, good ole country boy who shoots straight from the hip. Americans (Red States) loved this about him, even though it is an almost complete lie (New England boy vs Texan boy?). Kerry was seen as an aloof New England elitist-liberal who droned his way across America. The Mid-West and Southern states aren't going to vote for that. They want someone who could roll up their sleeves and take out the trash (terror-wise)... even if he can't talk his way out of a paper bag.


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So what does Moore know about politics?? Stick to your docs. Fact is the political landscape will change 10 fold until the next election and predicting what is needed now is pure speculation. He offers no insight.
 

lenharper

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Image is not everything but it is key to winning elections. I concur with happywanderer that kerry's demeanor played a significant part when it came to covincing the voters that were on the fence in this election. I would say the same thing has played a significant part in most elections conducted since tv became ubiqiutous -- kennedy v nixon -- for example.

Other candidates that have benefitted positively from this personality contest include ronald reagan -- heck even I liked the image this "hollywood hack" presented to the public -- the old post shooting "thumbs up can't keep the gipper down" probably helped him win his second term.

If you look at the democrats -- they have been completely incompetent in picking telegenic candidates -- gore = bore/ mondale = dullsville/ dukakis = dofus. they have made terrible miscalculations in not understanding the symbolic importance of the president. While I don't think the either reagan, bush 1 or 2 are the sharpest knives in the drawer they certainly were able to project the image of being take charge guys.

We ain't immune to it up here either. go back to trudeau v stanfield. image certainly had a lot to do with PET's victory.

I think voters (especially ones without rigid party affiliation) want to pick a good looking, take charge, dynamic representative of their country and that they make thier choices with this in mind. What the candidate says isn't as important as HOW they say it and how they LOOK saying it.
 

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superquad1968 said:
So the leader of the free world should now become a popularity contest? God I hope not. Because if true then I would really pity the old USA.

This guy does more damage to the Democrats each time he opens his mouth.
The contest for POTUS is to some degree a popularity contest. Especially since the POTUS doesn't have the same powers as a prime minister.
The POTUS role is more of an inspirng leader than it is about the nitty gritty of daily administration.
Usually the person that can combine a certain aura with some inspirational leadership qualities has a good chance of being POTUS.
This is especially true in the current climate of "fast food media", were sound bites take over substance.
 

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lenharper said:


Other candidates that have benefitted positively from this personality contest include ronald reagan -- heck even I liked the image this "hollywood hack" presented to the public -- the old post shooting "thumbs up can't keep the gipper down" probably helped him win his second term.

Reagan was an awsome communicator,what most people don't know is that there was quite a bit of substance behind that communication. For your consideration:

Reagan as Pundit
From the November 8, 2004, issue of National Review.

By Steven F. Hayward

Reagan's Path to Victory: The Shaping of Ronald Reagan's Vision: Selected Writings, edited by Kiron K. Skinner, Annelise Anderson, and Martin Anderson (Free Press, 538 pp., $35)

It has been said that history is too important to be left to historians, and proof of this remark is given by the fact that the most significant work done on Ronald Reagan has come not from historians, but from two economists and a political scientist, Martin and Annelise Anderson, and Kiron Skinner. The trio's publication in 2001 of Reagan in His Own Hand, a collection of Reagan's handwritten radio addresses and speeches, marked a watershed in the public's knowledge and estimation of Reagan. It proved that Reagan was no mere creature of speechwriters and handlers, as his detractors had long alleged, but was in fact the prime mover of his public career.

Skinner and the Andersons followed up last year with a collection of Reagan's personal letters (he may have written as many as 10,000), and now complete the cycle with a fresh batch of Reagan's handwritten radio commentaries from the last half of the 1970s, which reflect Reagan working out his views on the full spectrum of domestic and foreign issues. Thanks to the Andersons and Skinner, the slur that Reagan was lazy, uninformed, and ignorant of the details of federal policy should have been consigned once and for all to the ash heap of history.

This prominent aspect of the Reagan story is surprisingly little known. When he left the California governorship in 1975, Reagan began a twice-weekly newspaper column and a five-day-a-week syndicated radio commentary that was carried on more than 300 stations, reaching an estimated 20 to 30 million listeners. It was a way of making a good living as well as keeping his views in front of the public, but it was also a way of making himself the rallying point for the conservative movement that was readying itself for a drive to power. In this respect, Reagan's media career during his "wilderness years" in the late 1970s resembles Winston Churchill's "wilderness years" in the 1930s, when he too used his writing to make himself the rallying point against his government's weakness.

Most of Reagan's newspaper columns were ghostwritten for him by Peter Hannaford, and it was always assumed that the radio commentaries were ghosted as well. But Reagan, an ex-radio broadcaster, took a keen interest in his radio portfolio and wrote the bulk of those commentaries himself. Over five years, Reagan broadcast 1,027 commentaries; the Andersons and Skinner discovered Reagan's handwritten drafts of 682 of them. It is likely that Reagan wrote even more than this, but the handwritten drafts were lost or discarded.

The Reagan that emerges from this enormous corpus of writings is full of curiosity: He cast a wide net for information, and went far beyond generalities to discuss the inner workings of obscure government programs and regulations. Reagan displayed a talent for explaining complicated regulations, such as how the Clean Air Act's "prevention of significant deterioration" policy works, in just three minutes, along with a critique and alternative ideas for achieving the same goals. (On another occasion, he took after the Consumer Product Safety Commission for its regulation of lawn mowers.) Often Reagan would devote three or four commentaries to the same subject over the course of consecutive broadcasts. Stitched together, these serial commentaries offer a complete teaching on issues such as inflation, tax policy, welfare reform, the environment, and foreign policy.


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The remarkable range and depth of Reagan's writings suggests that he was arguably the best-prepared person to enter the White House in modern times. This was not a person who needed to consult polls and policy wonks to decide what was important or what he should think. The commentaries presage several prominent themes of his presidency, especially the centrality of controlling inflation along with the arguments for cutting income-tax rates. One especially significant commentary was his attack in 1977 on the Federal Communications Commission's "fairness doctrine," which President Reagan's FCC abolished in 1987, helping to open the way for conservative talk radio. And scattered throughout are a number of familiar arguments and quips that he used during his presidency. (My favorite is his quip about liberal economists "who have a Phi Beta Kappa key on one end of their watch chains and no watch on the other." This appeared in one of his first commentaries in 1975, and he used it in one of his presidential speeches in 1981.) Reagan's remarkable economic literacy shines forth in his domestic-policy commentaries.

Some readers may find the format of this collection slightly difficult, as the editors have reprinted Reagan's words exactly as he wrote them (and in chronological order), with his changes and crossouts marked in italics or capital letters. The editors do not interpolate Reagan's lacunae or correct his idiosyncratic shorthand spelling ("burocrat" for bureaucrat). This literalness is useful, however, in illuminating Reagan's self-editing abilities and his talent for achieving economy of expression. The reader will also appreciate more fully that the Reagan style originated with him and not his speechwriters. The format of Reagan's commentaries required him to write pithy, one-sentence leads, or "teasers," after which he'd say, "I'll be right [or sometimes "rite"] back" before breaking for a commercial. He wrote leads worthy of the best op-ed practitioners. An example: "The ability of Burocracy in the field of self preservation should be an inspiration to all those who teach survival courses. I'll be right back."

He was a skillful aphorist. My favorite is one from 1977 that holds up well today: "If words could be burned as fuel Congress would have the energy crisis solved and we'd be in the export business." Another: "I've always suspected the Russian Athletes do as well as they do [at the Olympics] because they think there are real bullets in the starters gun."
The commentaries were not all-politics-all-the-time. Reagan would often do a "human interest" commentary that sounded more like Paul Harvey than an aspiring president. Commentaries about sports figures, children struggling with debilitating diseases, and the rare uplifting Hollywood movie show the side of Reagan that innately connected the greatness of the nation to its character as well as its principles. But it requires someone not wholly consumed with politics as are most national figures these days to understand this and express it as Reagan did. Remember, this is a man who read the comics and the sports section in the morning before the news pages.

It is rare to have a window into a public figure working out his views in real time. This collection, along with the previous two by the Andersons and Skinner, constitutes a primary source for all future historians and political scientists who evaluate the 40th president. No appraisal of Reagan can be complete without reckoning with the self-discipline and seriousness that is revealed here.

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red

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some more reagan quotes:

Trees cause more pollution than automobiles."

"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."
"Approximately 80 percent of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources."


"My fellow Americans. I'm pleased to announce that I've signed legislation outlawing the Soviet Union. We begin bombing in five minutes." –joking during a mike check before his Saturday radio broadcast

"I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency — even if I'm in a Cabinet meeting."


"Well, I learned a lot....I went down to (Latin America) to find out from them and (learn) their views. You'd be surprised. They're all individual countries"
 

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Well thanks for the defense of RR. But I don't think I was dissing him, what I was saying was that "image" is an important component in electability (sic) and that without projecting a persona that the public likes (and that boils down to jeez I'd have a drink with that guy) a candidate will not be able to mobilize the rank and file in his party to vote for him or sway the undecided voter. The fact the RR may have been smarter than he looks was probably not the determining factor in why people voted for him.
 

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lenharper said:
Well thanks for the defense of RR. But I don't think I was dissing him, what I was saying was that "image" is an important component in electability (sic) and that without projecting a persona that the public likes (and that boils down to jeez I'd have a drink with that guy) a candidate will not be able to mobilize the rank and file in his party to vote for him or sway the undecided voter. The fact the RR may have been smarter than he looks was probably not the determining factor in why people voted for him.
Fair enough, he did cut the perfect image for US politics. I had just read that review recently and it did a nice job of dispelling the myth that he just read the teleprompter and fell asleep in meetings.

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While I do agree that to a certain extent image and style ever since the Nixon-Kennedy debate has been a part of elections primarily due to to the influence of TV. But what I read in Moore's dissertation was that the D's needed more style than substance which would be regretable.

I also agree that RR had more substance behind him then was portrayed.
 

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The Dem's need a story lol.

Here's a radical suggestion, instead of a story, why don't the dem's actually come up with a platform? Why don't they take a stand on a issue for a change rather than just bashing the republicans?

Also, they should forget Hollywood. People want Hollywood to entertain them, not tell them who to vote for.
 

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The radical notion that the liberal party should just come out and say their the liberal party instead of Republican-light will occur to them eventually. This is the only way they will rebuild their former greatness on a national scale.

I thought the treatment of Hollywood in the movie Team America was perfect! Any idea where I can buy a "Shut up and sing" button?

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Cinema Face said:

Also, they should forget Hollywood. People want Hollywood to entertain them, not tell them who to vote for.

There has always been some form of activism from the entertainment industry i.e woodstock, farm aid etc.. There is nothing worng with that.
They have the right to express their opinions and support whoever they want.
It becomes a problem though, when opinion his hiddenunder the vail of "documentary"and "news".
How many people will change their vote because Garfolo says so???
 

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langeweile said:
There has always been some form of activism from the entertainment industry i.e woodstock, farm aid etc.. There is nothing worng with that.
They have the right to express their opinions and support whoever they want.
It becomes a problem though, when opinion his hiddenunder the vail of "documentary"and "news".
How many people will change their vote because Garfolo says so???

I know I did
was thinking, Nope no I wasn't, Kerry just was how shall I say it..........Not worthy of the position.
 
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