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Goober Mcfly

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On Tuesday, Harper told reporters that he's aiming for a consensus recognizing traditional marriage without taking away from the rights of same-sex couples.
Sounds good to me. Why not meet in the middle somewhere?
 

red

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the code words "traditional marriage" say it all
 

Goober Mcfly

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Could someone tell me why the homosexual community is so hooked on getting their unions called "marriage"?

I understand that they want equal status, and I fully support that, but why make a demand that obviously pisses a great number of Canadians off by demanding to be called "married"?

Who cares if you're called "married" or "unified" or whatever? It's how you regard your partner, and how the government (and law) regard your union that counts, doesn't it?
 

red

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Goober Mcfly said:
Could someone tell me why the homosexual community is so hooked on getting their unions called "marriage"?

I understand that they want equal status, and I fully support that, but why make a demand that obviously pisses a great number of Canadians off by demanding to be called "married"?

Who cares if you're called "married" or "unified" or whatever? It's how you regard your partner, and how the government (and law) regard your union that counts, doesn't it?
lets turn the question around- why does it offend you if they are called married?
 

n_v

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red said:
lets turn the question around- why does it offend you if they are called married?
because traditionally 'married' means man and women. Now back to answering Goober's question instead of evading it.
 

Goober Mcfly

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Me personally? It doesn't. But I can understand many, many people who are less tolerant of homosexuals wanting to keep the traditional definition of marriage as a husband and wife. Why do you need to reinvent a term which has remained unchanged for centuries? Give me an example of this happening before, of a definition being reinvented to appease a social group...
 

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I believe that gays and lesbians should ahve the right to get married, and live their lives as they want.period.

This doesn't mean I approve or agree with their choices. I hope that i am entitled to my opinion and that I am free to exoress it, without being called a bigot or a homophobe.


That is all I have to say about that.....
 

red

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n_v said:
because traditionally 'married' means man and women. Now back to answering Goober's question instead of evading it.
they want to be treated equally. thats why.

I am not sure you answered the question. yes married traditionally meant a man and a woman. so what- traditionally women/minorities couldn't vote, traditionally - blacks were sold as slaves, traditionally the romans threw christians to the lions.
 

n_v

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red said:
they want to be treated equally. thats why.
They are equal. But not the same. Not to hard to come to that conclusion.

red said:
I am not sure you answered the question. yes married traditionally meant a man and a woman. so what- traditionally women/minorities couldn't vote, traditionally - blacks were sold as slaves, traditionally the romans threw christians to the lions.
You mention events that have nothing to do with religion or spirituality.
 

Goober Mcfly

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red said:
they want to be treated equally. thats why.

I am not sure you answered the question. yes married traditionally meant a man and a woman. so what- traditionally women/minorities couldn't vote, traditionally - blacks were sold as slaves, traditionally the romans threw christians to the lions.
Here we go... :rolleyes:

Women and minorities couldn't vote. But when they petitioned for the vote, they didn't ask to be called "men" or "whites". They just asked for the same treatment under the law.

Same thing for the slaves. And the Romans throwing the Christians to the lions? Come on!

I am all for civil unions, giving all the same rights and obligations as traditionally married couples, but not being actually called "marriage". Where is the discrimination in that?
 

n_v

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yychobbyist said:
One reason is that "being married" gives you legal rights that living together or being in a union do not. Sure we can extend many if not all these rights to homosexual couples without giving them the ability to marry but, and I'm going to try to do this without getting into the minutae of public international law, if you are married in one country the law considers you to be married in every country. So, for example, a couple married in Canada which moves to the U.S. can divorce in the U.S. or if one spouse dies, can take advantage of American law concerning married survivors under American estate law. They could not do that if they weren't legally married.

The second reason that homosexuals want the right to marry is that they are sick and tired of being treated as different than us heteros. And I see nothing wrong with them wanting to be treated as equals.
You are not answering the question. I treat them as equeal an they should have that right. Just don't call it marriage .. call it a union.
 

Goober Mcfly

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yyc: I am sure that a union sanctioned by the Canadian government, be it "marriage" or a "civil union", would be equally respected under international law. It doesn't hinge on the actual word used to describe it...
 

red

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they want to define their own relationships- how is it your business to define them?

my comments from above related to another posters use of the word traditional.


we have made changes in the use of words over time- women objected to the use of fireman or policeman as it discriminates against them. Native Canadians have objected to the use of squaw or use of symbols for sports teams etc.
 

red

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langeweile said:
I believe that gays and lesbians should ahve the right to get married, and live their lives as they want.period.

This doesn't mean I approve or agree with their choices. I hope that i am entitled to my opinion and that I am free to exoress it, without being called a bigot or a homophobe.


That is all I have to say about that.....
 

red

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n_v said:
They are equal. But not the same. Not to hard to come to that conclusion.


You mention events that have nothing to do with religion or spirituality.
so what? what has religion or spirituality got to do with it? equal but separate doesn't work.
 

Goober Mcfly

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red said:
we have made changes in the use of words over time- women objected to the use of fireman or policeman as it discriminates against them. Native Canadians have objected to the use of squaw or use of symbols for sports teams etc.
So now we're legislating political correctness?
 
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