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Are we seeing the beginning of the fall of the American Empire?

Heard last night that, between oil prices now expected to double in North America, and a US dollar that is expected to plumet even further over the next year...well, this seems very ominous.

Historically, the fastest empire to fall was the Romans who vanished within 200 years. I've heard the Americans, thanks to the technological age we live in and all the unsupported money reserves, could fall in six days. Between the devaluation of US currency which is almost a certainty now, and the continue lack of interest in the Bush admin to look at anything other than oil for energy (Bush is an oil-man, afterall)...2005 could be a very interesting year looking south of the border as it pays for letting the uneducated religious right win the last election.

Just my 2 cents...
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Peeping Tom said:
The sky is falling too ... check your foil for pinholes.
I did see the Disney trailer for Chicken Little on the beginning of The Incredibles...we should all know that Disney is truly the Illuminate anyway...so you're right, the sky is falling.

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..well one of its competitors just got a bit stronger. On CNN on the bottom of the screen it just announced that China has just launched a new class of Nuclear Submarine that cam launch ICBM'S. Which means of course they now can hit anywhere in the US with Nukes, not just the West Coast.
 

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American Empire??? I thought to be considered an Empire you had to make a cultural contribution to the rest of civilization.
 

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China fast becoming a Military Superpower

Here's a link to that new sub:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...041204/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_china_submarine_3

Funny thing isn't it, the Commies of the defunct Evil USSR were bankrupted and driven from power by the USA, while the Commies in China are propped-up, allowed to flourish and expand with the help of the USA along with a good helping of US Corporate GREED. The Commie goal always was to overthrow the West but who would have imagined that China could so skillfully exploit US corporate greed so skillfully to their advantage in such a short time frame.

And now IBM is going to China for a massive joint venture. Who knows maybe IBM will solve the central banking woes there. Guess those in China must be the 'good' commies as opposed to them 'evil commies' of the USSR.
 

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The Russian and Chinese situations are totally different as are their concepts of communism. You can’t directly compare the two like that.

The Russians were all about expanding their empire by grabbing land. It was the US and NATO that stopped the Soviet expansion and eventually bankrupt the Soviets.

China on the other hand it trying to become an economic superpower. China must shed the shackles of communism if they hope to achieve this. This is already happening. China is slowly adopting capitalistic values. I believe that communism in China doesn’t stand a chance against a free market society.

The US was wise to recognize the difference and trade with China. Ultimately it will be the US who destroys global communism. The last holdouts like N. Korea and Cuba will fall too. It’s only a matter of time.

As long as China buys technology from the west, they will remain dependant on it instead of developing their own technology. In trade, the west gets cheap manufactured goods from China. By keeping China as a significant member of the global trading community they ensure peaceful coexistence with them.

By putting up economic, political and social barriers such as the Soviets did, they remain a threat to world peace.
 

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Isn't the low US dollar bad for Canada?
 

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Doesn't the word "Empire" imply that one has conquered lands and kept them under their dominion?

I could see how this would apply to the British and the French.

Anyway, how's everybody's Chinese these days. Got to get in tune with the new Empire.
 

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Necromancer said:


Anyway, how's everybody's Chinese these days. Got to get in tune with the new Empire.
I knew it!!!!!... all those MPAs are really spies gathering intelligence information on North America for when they decide to invade. Those girls are probably generals in the Chinese army. All you F@#&ers who have treated them badly watch out...
 

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Necromancer said:
Doesn't the word "Empire" imply that one has conquered lands and kept them under their dominion?

I could see how this would apply to the British and the French.

Anyway, how's everybody's Chinese these days. Got to get in tune with the new Empire.
How does this word not apply to the US?

I doubt we're going to be invaded by the Chinese anytime soon. The Americans, I'm not so sure about.
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cyberbard said:

Historically, the fastest empire to fall was the Romans who vanished within 200 years. I've heard the Americans, thanks to the technological age we live in and all the unsupported money reserves, could fall in six days.
I'm not sure where the 200 years idea comes from. The height of the Rome's political power begins, by most accounts, with the rule of Augustus, right around 1 AD, and continues with various ebbs and flows - plenty of ebbs around 235 and 275 AD, when the empire was in complete crisis most of the time - until the sacking of Rome by the Germans in 410 by Alaric, and some might argue the empire survived in the East for another 1000 years, until the fall of Constantiople in 1453.

My point - it is a romantic notion that empires have a distinct "rise" and then a precipitous "fall". The height of the British empire may have occured bwteen 1815 and 1914, but the empire itself took centuries to build and its collapse was a slow and steady one, beginning in some senses even before the empire reached its ecomonic nabob - in, say, 1776.

The idea of the American "empire" collapsing in six days is, simply, nuts. But I will agree that every empire has had a different flavour, and we have yet to fully understand exactly what shape the American empire - if it can be reasonably described as one - will take.
 

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The 200 years came from a discussion with a retired history professor from the U of T, actually.
 

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I'm *sorta* joking.
I think it's much more of a possibility that US-Canada relations will continue to sour and the "alliance" will end than that China will invade or otherwise attack us.
If the chance of the latter is zero, the chance of the former is small, but not zero.

I'd feel safer if Dumbya weren't in charge, that's for sure.
 

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Ranger68 said:
I'm *sorta* joking.
I think it's much more of a possibility that US-Canada relations will continue to sour and the "alliance" will end than that China will invade or otherwise attack us.
If the chance of the latter is zero, the chance of the former is small, but not zero.

I'd feel safer if Dumbya weren't in charge, that's for sure.
The USA can't afford to loose Canada as a trading partner, well as long as I am up here anyway.

GWB will be gone in four years, who knows who will be next.
 

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Ranger68 said:
I'm *sorta* joking.
I think it's much more of a possibility that US-Canada relations will continue to sour and the "alliance" will end than that China will invade or otherwise attack us.
If the chance of the latter is zero, the chance of the former is small, but not zero.

I'd feel safer if Dumbya weren't in charge, that's for sure.
The USA can't afford to loose Canada as a trading partner, well as long as I am up here anyway.

GWB will be gone in four years, who knows who will be next. In the past the choice of POTUS tended to swing from one side to the other.
Nixon(Ford), Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush again.
 

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The USA can't afford to loose Canada as a trading partner, well as long as I am up here anyway.

GWB will be gone in four years, who knows who will be next.
Fair enough.

I am NOT espousing that Canadians have ANY ill will towards Americans, even those who voted for Bush. I think Bush has to go, and the US will be MUCH better off without him.

I have in the past, and continue now, to vigorously defend the US from Canadian anti-Americanism.

My desire to get rid of Bush is pro-American.
 
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