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Pit Bull swallows teen's ear!?!

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Yet another story about this harmless, misunderstood breed. lol

Ends with a quote from the father...........
"the family was aware of the publicity surrounding the breed, including the proposed anti-pit bull law, but his uncle had an American Staffordshire terrier "and it never bothered anybody. We thought all the warnings about them being ticking time bombs was exaggeration."
The dog was an angel," he said. "But they can't be trusted ... I realize that now."

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/12/01/750690.html

PS: that sound you hear is the collective 'blah, blah, blah' from the usual suspects telling us it's the owners' fault..........breed specific bans don't work........and with training and licensing (yawn) Pit Bulls actually make wonderful pets.
 

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That PS was the only reasonable thing you said.
In what way *isn't* it the owner's fault?
In what way *will* breed specific bans work?
In what way *won't* training and licensing work?

The lack of critical thinking around never fails to astound me.
 

red

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if the breed is gone - there won't be anymore pitbull attacks
 

Ranger68

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But there will be lots of attacks, and lots MORE attacks by other breeds. Also, there is very little evidence that these breed bans are effective. In most of the places they've been put in place before, they've since been rescinded - they didn't work.

Do you want to stop *pit bull* attacks, or dog attacks in general?

(Sorta like saying "If we kill *everyone* in the Middle East, there won't be any more Islamic terrorists." Uh .... that *may* work. Doesn't make it a good idea - it may be awfully hard to do, and totally immoral.)
 

red

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if there are other breeds to be eliminated- so be it. I am in favour of stopping all dog attacks.

your analogy re the middle east is muddled as there are islamic terrorists and non terrorist followers of islam outside of the middle east. and we are talking about dogs and not people.
 

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red said:
if the breed is gone - there won't be anymore pitbull attacks
RIGHT no pittbull attacks
WRONG irresponsible owners will switch to rottweilers, bulldogs, mastiffs, german shepherds, boxers etc etc....

Those who train their pittbull to be mean will not be deterred by the ban. those people either train them for dogfights or have a low selfesteem and try to make it up by having a mean dog.

Don't take my word for it. Look to Europe. It started with one breed now they are up to three or four.

Pittbulls in the past have been used for fighting and for bear baiting. By nature a pittbull should be a single dog in a household and needs to be taken to obedience classes right away. Those classes need to be repeated on a regular basis.
If you want an easy dog for yourself or for your family get a poodle.
I would prefer that those who want to have a pittbull should have a license and should be able to proof that they know how to handle that dog.
Most vetenerians are opposed to the ban, because it does not address the real problem.

BTW NO I don't own a pittbull.
 

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So, you want to eliminate *all* dog breeds, because they're *all* potentially problematic.
Just so we're clear.

Never gonna happen.
So, you're going to eliminate pit bulls without seriously decreasing dog attacks in general. Congratulations. Wayda solve that problem.

My analogy was trying to point out the difficulty in imposing *heavy-handed* solutions to perceived problems.
:rolleyes: Sorry that wasn't clear. There are of course *much better* solutions to these problems. That doesn't stop people from saying we should ban pit bulls or turn the Middle East to glass every once in a while. Both are unreasonable, emotional arguments.
 

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Most people who you would expect would understand the problem - veterinarians, animal control experts - indicate that this is not going to work.

Oh, and poodles have killed people, too.

NO breed is 100% safe. ANY dog can be trained to do SERIOUS DAMAGE, especially to children.
 

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Yeah, this sounds reasonable. LOL
Not long before they ban all dogs, I suppose.
Which is certainly a way to go. It ain't gonna happen here, though, thankfully.

This from a country with 92 political parties. Or is it 192? ;)
 

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From sheik's article
" Ananova:
Italy puts corgis on dangerous dogs list

Italy has put border collies, corgis and St Bernards on a dangerous dogs list that bans children and criminals from owning them."

It seems they don't ban the breed, just impose restrictions on who can own them. Makes sense to me.
 

Ranger68

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Maybe criminals and children shouldn't *own* *any* dogs.
 

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I am a dog enthusiast but it has been documented that while the percentage of "Pit Bull" attacks(Staffs, English Bull's, and any other like terrier referred to as a Pit Bull) is not overly disproportionate. However the degree of the attack is severely disproportionate. More Deaths occur from "Pit Bull" attacks than all other breeds combined.

Sure there are those that will maintain it is the owner that is responsible for ensuring the raising of his or her dog, but its the same as having a lethal weapon. Rottweiller = knife, Pit Bull = gun. Both can kill but the latter has a higher efficiency.

These dogs were developed and are predominantly breed for one thing and one thing alone. Fighting!

If you have ever seen a dog fight, you will rarely see any other breed than a staff mix. These fights can go one for over an hour straight and the popping of the teeth and jaws is horrifying and leaves no misconception the these breeds are a perfect killing machine.
 

Ranger68

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I've heard this nonsense before - "pit bull" equals this "rottweiler" equals that. That's what it is - nonsense.
No breed is a "perfect killing machine".
It's all rhetoric.

I'll talk about the only fact you've mentioned - that more deaths occur from "pit bull" attacks than all other breeds combined. You can't really find too many sources for this kind of statistic, because they're not generally kept. Of course, then there's the problem of breed identification - a LARGE problem. The obvious problem with the breed ban as a solution to this problem is that those *criminal* owners who are using pit bulls will migrate to some other breed, equally as dangerous.

There are laws to deal with possession and *use* of weapons in crimes - not to mention training and licensing. Why aren't there adequate laws to cover dog ownership, breeding, training, licensing? Isn't that a reasonable first step before you start banning dog breeds all over the place?
 

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Question becomes, if the dog is really so misunderstood, why? Pros and cons of the dog should be evident enough for the public not to raise an outcry....

I don't understand why so many people could be so opposed to one particular breed of dog if there wasn't an issue... I mean, it's not racism, or terrorism, or anything like that.

What is the motivation for 'wronging' these dogs and their owners?
 

Ranger68

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Fact is, most people don't know ANYTHING about the dog - just what they hear in the media, which is only out to sell a story.

Just like most people don't know ANYTHING about the lack of connection between Iraq and 9/11. ;)

The motivation is public hysteria due to ignorance.
 

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Ranger68 said:
Fact is, most people don't know ANYTHING about the dog - just what they hear in the media, which is only out to sell a story.

Just like most people don't know ANYTHING about the lack of connection between Iraq and 9/11. ;)

The motivation is public hysteria due to ignorance.
tring these two together is assinie. But since you did are you saying that breeds that are bred for fighting are all alike?
 

Ranger68

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Not assinine at all - shows the power of the modern media.
Not all dogs are alike, no - even at a genetic level. HOWEVER, the fact is that dogs are TRAINED to do all kinds of things. Breeds are selected, for a dog that's going to be *trained* to do something, based on genetic factors.
Does that answer your question?
 
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