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strange1

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I don't know if i like the idea but it makes sense in terms of quality of life. I put down my dog years ago and couldn't see having to keep her alive. My only concern is what the process is to decide who is beyond hope of recovery.
 

papasmerf

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There is a fine line between not keeping someone alive by extordinary means injecting them with a leathal dose.

Hospice is a wonderful organization that allows for death to occur by repecting a paitents wish not to be kept alive beyond their time. The make paitents comfortable and allow the body to pass in comfort. By using drugs to limit the pain felt by a paitent, but not administering a leathal dose.
 

langeweile

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DonQuixote said:
What is the meaning and purpose of life?

To live, to live in pain and suffering?
For the ideoligical reason that life has meaning.
What meaning does life have if it is all suffering,
struggling, meaningless, endless inhuman pain?

You trumpet life. But, for what purpose is there in life
when all and every moment is intolerable pain and suffering.

Can you glorify life when it has no human purpose and the
only tomorrow is more of the more unbearable pain?

What is the meaning and purpose of life?
You and I can sit here with a near normal life.
What about those that can't and won't sit here like us?

For your consideration.
Ideology is one thing; reality is frequently something terribly
different, terribly indifferent.
I really didn't want this to turn in to a discussion on ideology.

It is one thing to make the decision for yourself. It is another thing to make the decision for someone else.
Who will make the decision over life or death?
What is the criteria for that decision?
I agree that for us non sufferers it is easy to say NO, to all of it. Does that mean only "perfect children" are allowed to survive? What is the standard for a perfect child?
A lot of these question have the eerie sounds of days passed in Germany.
 

islandboy

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Consider this hypothetical. 95 yrs. and vertebra collapses. The spinal cord in not severed which would end the pain. If you were younger you could be operatied on but high blood pressure and a history of stroke prevents this. The doctors must do no harm so they can not sever the cord and even if they could, given the medical history, they know they would kill the patient. The most powerful pain killers do not touch the pain - pain puts the person so far beyond thought that the person is not vebal except to beg for "help". What would you want done? What would you do?
 

ocean976124

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bbking said:
A person who would post that comment doesn't understand the legal principles behind Roe. That decission was not about a fetus being human or not it was about the privacy rights of a women. For Roe to be overturned, the Constructionists (those who believe the Constitution is a set document and not an evolving one) would have to dismattle every privacy right ruled on over the last 200 years - you really want that especially in a day and age that we are very vulnerable to privacy issues.
bbk
Not exactly. The privacy clause, which doesn't explicitly appear in the US Constitution, does not rely on 200 years of history. It began in 1928's Olmstead v. United States, but Roe's true parent was 1965's Griswold v. Connecticut.

Your contention that the issue doesn't involve humanity of the fetus is also incorrect. The Court is very careful not to get involved in the matter, HOWEVER in 1992's Planned Parenthood v. Casey the court did rule the state has a "compelling interest" once viability has been determined and CAN regulate abortion from the point (as long as it doesn't place undue burned on the mother).
In most US states a woman cannot get an aboriton past 24 weeks unless there is a serious health issue for the woman involved.
If the privacy right of the woman was as sacred as you claim then the court could not have recoginzed compelling interest of the state after viability.

Its a sticky legal issue, but not nearly as black and white as you've tried to make it out to be...
 
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