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China is working to remove Trump, Mike Spence warns

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China’s efforts to meddle in the United States are a significantly greater threat to the country than Russia, Vice President Mike Pence will say in a formal rebuke of Beijing on Thursday.

Citing intelligence experts and highlighting actions allegedly undertaken by the Chinese government, Pence will reiterate the concerns voiced by President Donald Trump that Beijing is working to influence U.S. elections, according to The Wall Street Journal. He will also take issue with China’s foreign policy decisions, particularly its financial aid and loans to developing nations, as well as its actions in the disputed South China Sea.
“Beijing has mobilized covert actors, front groups and propaganda outlets to shift Americans’ perception of Chinese policies,” the vice president will say, according to prepared remarks seen by the Journal. “As a senior career member of our intelligence community recently told me, what the Russians are doing pales in comparison to what China is doing across this country.”

“China wants a different American president,” Pence will say. As a result, Beijing has undertaken “an unprecedented effort to influence American public opinion.”

The remarks from the Trump administration come following a Wednesday warning from the Department of Homeland Security that a hacker group linked to the Chinese government has launched attacks on American and European technology service providers to steal data, Reuters reported. “We strongly encourage our partners in government and industry to work together to defend against this threat,” DHS official Christopher Krebs said in a statement.

Dmitri Alperovitch, chief technology officer of U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike, also said on Tuesday that, “unfortunately, the Chinese are back,” according to Reuters. He said Chinese hackers are now “the most predominant threat actors we see threatening institutions all over this country and Western Europe.”

But Pence’s rebuke will go far beyond hacking and influencing U.S elections. He will also take aim at China’s “debt diplomacy,” which he will allege Beijing uses to expand its influence globally.
“The terms of those loans are opaque at best, and the benefits flow overwhelmingly to Beijing,” he will say.
The vice president will also raise the issue of tensions in the South China Sea, accusing Beijing of “reckless harassment” of U.S. military operations in the disputed waters. “Beijing is also trying to project its power farther than ever before,” Pence will warn, adding that “we will not be intimidated; we will not stand down.”

The rebuke comes as trade tensions have escalated between Beijing and Washington in recent months, with Trump slapping $250 billion of Chinese products with new tariffs. He first moved to add the additional levies to $50 billion of China’s imports this summer, to which Beijing responded in a tit-for-tat manner, placing new taxes on an equal amount of U.S. products. Last month, Trump added tariffs to another $200 billion of imports, to which Beijing retaliated by adding levies to a further $60 billion of U.S. goods.

China also announced at the end of September that it would cut import tariffs on a range of non-U.S. products. The decision is expected to save Chinese consumers and businesses about $8.7 billion. It also aims to encourage Chinese consumers to avoid purchasing U.S. goods and choose other alternatives.
Although China has denied attempting to interfere in U.S. elections, intelligence experts have raised concerns about the East Asian nation's activities throughout the country.

Michael Collins, the deputy assistant director of the CIA's East Asia Mission Center, told the Aspen Security Forum in July that the threat from China is the most serious currently faced by the U.S. The intelligence official argued that China’s current actions in the world could be defined as “fundamentally a cold war.”
Speaking at the same forum, FBI Director Christopher Wray told attendees that China is also seen by his agency as the most significant threat to the U.S. He explained that the FBI is investigating economic espionage cases in all 50 states that have alleged ties to Beijing.

https://www.newsweek.com/china-work...U6b6FTEdlUWlc-oBhXBRRwONNHL43QMik87xrPtQHX-YE
 

oldjones

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Who is this Mike Spence of yours, and why isn't he mentioned anywhere in this silly cut-and-paste?
 

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You'd think that Spense would be happy if the Chinese succeeded in removing Trump, as he would then become POTUS.

But this is just propaganda brainwash on the part of the US. All this is based on 'Assessments', not proof, and reflect political influence on US Intelligence agencies.

Meanwhile, the US subverted, overthrew or waged war on over 40 countries since WW2. The pot calling the kettle black.

Late in Truman's presidency, he said he regretted that he established the CIA because it quickly got big and out of control of the Presidency. Then, Eisenhower on his last days as President, warned about the Military Industrial complex, that he had abetted as POTUS.
 

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You'd think that Spense would be happy if the Chinese succeeded in removing Trump, as he would then become POTUS.

But this is just propaganda brainwash on the part of the US. All this is based on 'Assessments', not proof, and reflect political influence on US Intelligence agencies.

Meanwhile, the US subverted, overthrew or waged war on over 40 countries since WW2. The pot calling the kettle black.

Late in Truman's presidency, he said he regretted that he established the CIA because it quickly got big and out of control of the Presidency. Then, Eisenhower on his last days as President, warned about the Military Industrial complex, that he had abetted as POTUS.
Spoons may well want Tramp removed, but by folks he thinks he can trust. Or at least ones he can watch. If the Chownoise dad the jobe 4 ham, he' be thewyre pooppet.
 

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President Trump's China policy has failed completely. He has nothing to show for it. Only vague promises that global manufacturing supply chains will gravitate to America over time.

Like ... wtf?

Everything about China in the US media right now, all a giant smoke screen until people forget.

In the meantime, things are shifting in North East Asia

October 26, 2018 / 12:11 AM / Updated an hour ago

China, Japan to forge closer ties at 'historic turning point'

Norihiko Shirouzu, Philip Wen
3 Min Read
October 26, 2018. REUTERS/Thomas Peter

BEIJING (Reuters) - China and Japan on Friday pledged to forge closer ties as both countries stood together at an “historic turning point”, signing a broad range of agreements including a $30 billion currency swap pact, amid rising trade tensions with Washington.

The pacts were reached on Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s three-day visit to Beijing as the two neighbours looked to carve out new areas of cooperation and seek new ways to promote trust, which has been fragile at times since diplomatic relations resumed in 1972.

Japanese firms including big auto companies like Toyota hope to see normalised ties with China so they can compete with U.S. and European rivals, while Beijing expects Tokyo’s endorsement of its ambitious Belt and Road programme, an initiative that Chinese President Xi Jinping hopes will further boost trade and transport links with other countries.

Abe said on Friday that bilateral relations with China are at an “historic turning point” and that he expects new possibilities in industries such as infrastructure, logistics, healthcare and finance.

Abe has held “frank” discussions with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang since arriving in Beijing on Thursday and is expected to meet with Xi later on Friday in the first full-scale Sino-Japanese summit since 2011.

Efforts in advancing China-Japan ties should “persevere unremittingly to prevent the appearance of new twists and turns” so that previous efforts did not go to waste, said Li at a joint briefing with Abe on Friday.

“The Chinese side is willing to work with the Japanese side to return to a normal track, and maintain the stable, sustained and healthy development of bilateral relations,” he said, adding that he had held candid discussions with Abe since his arrival on matters of mutual concerns.

They reached consensus, Li said, that safeguarding long-term healthy and stable China-Japan ties was in accordance with the interests of both countries and the region and the world.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-c...-ties-at-historic-turning-point-idUKKCN1N00B1
 

essguy_

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President Trump's China policy has failed completely. He has nothing to show for it. Only vague promises that global manufacturing supply chains will gravitate to America over time.

Like ... wtf?

Everything about China in the US media right now, all a giant smoke screen until people forget.

In the meantime, things are shifting in North East Asia

October 26, 2018 / 12:11 AM / Updated an hour ago

China, Japan to forge closer ties at 'historic turning point'

Norihiko Shirouzu, Philip Wen
3 Min Read
October 26, 2018. REUTERS/Thomas Peter

BEIJING (Reuters) - China and Japan on Friday pledged to forge closer ties as both countries stood together at an “historic turning point”, signing a broad range of agreements including a $30 billion currency swap pact, amid rising trade tensions with Washington.

The pacts were reached on Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s three-day visit to Beijing as the two neighbours looked to carve out new areas of cooperation and seek new ways to promote trust, which has been fragile at times since diplomatic relations resumed in 1972.

Japanese firms including big auto companies like Toyota hope to see normalised ties with China so they can compete with U.S. and European rivals, while Beijing expects Tokyo’s endorsement of its ambitious Belt and Road programme, an initiative that Chinese President Xi Jinping hopes will further boost trade and transport links with other countries.

Abe said on Friday that bilateral relations with China are at an “historic turning point” and that he expects new possibilities in industries such as infrastructure, logistics, healthcare and finance.

Abe has held “frank” discussions with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang since arriving in Beijing on Thursday and is expected to meet with Xi later on Friday in the first full-scale Sino-Japanese summit since 2011.

Efforts in advancing China-Japan ties should “persevere unremittingly to prevent the appearance of new twists and turns” so that previous efforts did not go to waste, said Li at a joint briefing with Abe on Friday.

“The Chinese side is willing to work with the Japanese side to return to a normal track, and maintain the stable, sustained and healthy development of bilateral relations,” he said, adding that he had held candid discussions with Abe since his arrival on matters of mutual concerns.

They reached consensus, Li said, that safeguarding long-term healthy and stable China-Japan ties was in accordance with the interests of both countries and the region and the world.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-c...-ties-at-historic-turning-point-idUKKCN1N00B1

Well, as they say - you can't judge until the war's over. But I agree 100% that thus far, Trump's China policy has been a disaster, and I've said it repeatedly on this forum. It goes further though - ALL of Trump's trade policies have been a disaster. The man is a complete moron on trade and he's being advised by kooks, dinosaurs, and spineless sycophants (Navarro, Ross, and Kudlow). This is made worse by Trump's belief that geopolitics is a big episode of "The Apprentice". His negotiating tactics are complete joke and have failed miserably - one only has to look at how he dealt with Canada as an example to see this. Case in point are his Steel Tariffs. US Steel companies are hurting MORE because the idiot President has given exemptions to so many countries that the result is that a handful of outsider's steel industries have benefitted (Eg: South Korea, Brazil, Argentina). Meanwhile a longtime ally and friend like Canada still has Steel and Aluminum Tariffs in place under section 232. Trump has ended up caving on China in the past (eg: ZTE) and now talks tough and wants to win by surviving while China fails. He actually thinks that China will come on its knees saying "We've been wrong... how can we make up". This will NEVER happen. So the end game seems to be to hurt China so much that political unrest will ensue. How is this good for anything except higher risk and uncertainty - even within the domestic US? Here's the problem: SO many Americans (corporate and personal) buy Chinese goods. Many US Corps were banking on the continued expansion of the Chinese economy and the inevitable opening up of markets to satisfy the growing middle class. The country was beginning to prosper and with this prosperity change would have been inevitable. The end game should actually be a win-win outcome with China's economy and political system evolving as the Nation prospers (it was well on its way to succumbing to the capitalistic nature of the Chinese people - communism is totally against all history and culture of China). But Trump has fucked this all up by his juvenile tactics and failed attempts at brinksmanship and win-lose outcomes.

Anyway, I've always said (even on this forum) that you trade this market trend (the Trump bump) BUT you take your profits regularly and buy some form of "insurance" (which is now very expensive after being historically cheap). Hopefully few have been banking on an endless market rise. This month, I've been cashing in on this insurance and will continue today (which WILL be very rough if you were not protected or overweight cash). Of course, I do this for a living and have to be honest and say that even though I despise Trump, I've directly benefitted from his knee-jerk policies and his habit of living large on borrowed money. So THANKS CADET BONE SPURS!!! There are few reasons going into the midterms for the market to bounce except for technical factors (if it gets oversold) or some sort of truce on trade - OR the market sells off enough that the Fed believes it's an economic event. Earnings have actually been good - but what matters is the future outlook and until Trump stops fucking up on Trade and geopolitics - this outlook will be sub-optimal. And if you trade, remember that you should make as much money on the way down as on the way up. So be careful out there.
 
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