https://www.apnews.com/9c79116125c740d084eaf3576d8958a8
To be fair, I think the Russian Collusion Cover Up was the worst and most poorly executed cover up ever...but that’s just my opinion.
Trump calls Khashoggi killing “the worst cover up in the history of cover ups”
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To be fair, I think the Russian Collusion Cover Up was the worst and most poorly executed cover up ever...but that’s just my opinion.
Could be.
Though they didn't find Peter W Smith's body in the White House well, so at least Trump is doing a tiny bit better.
Trump isn’t even upset about the murder...He’s just pissed that the Saudis didn’t do a good enough job of covering it up so now he has to pretend to give a shit about their murdering a journalist.
Now comes the hard part. What should the US do about the Saudis executing someone who appears to be a Saudi citizen on Saudi soil (which a consulate is), who is viewed to have committed treasonous acts by his home country (quite apart from how the rest of the world sees those actions)? Do they treat the Saudis as having committed a UN Human Rights violation? SA is on the UN Human Rights Advisory Committee! What are the appropriate sanctions, and should they be applied by all UN countries, or just the US? And how many other UN countries should be made immediately subject to the same sanctions?
What happens when they kill a Canadian citizen on Belgian soil or a Dutch citizen on French soil??
You know that Prince Mohammed is going to do shit like that if he's given a hall pass on Khashoggi.
What happens when they kill Americans?
There is just no consistency in whether Trump's opponents want him to receive information from investigations before he reaches a conclusion on a subject, or not.
So, to follow up on my earlier post, what should the US/UN do about this?
Opponents or not, most people just want him to behave and think like a responsible, informed adult. If he had even simple language skills he'd have no trouble distinguishing between decided conclusions and preliminary understandings. And there's always not speaking until you actually have something knowledgeable to say.
Since you asked, send the Suadis to Coventry. The notion that they might abuse the long-established principle of extra-territoriality to murder a dissenter in a diplomatic mission to a foreign country shows they're far from ready to be part of the world community. Highly-placed, responsible people in the regime actually went ahead, plotted and executed that evil, and no wiser, more civilized people intervened to stop their barbarous plan.
The US has aligned itself with the Saudi savages, their Treasury Secretary's there now sucking up to them, and for Donny the Dimwit see above. No hope for better from a country actively working to undermine and wipe out the faint beginnings of international criminal law and employing its own killers and kidnappers to keep its own extra-territorial and secret prisons populated. But there's still hope the UN might find a role.
It's worth remembering that a similarly small band of well-place Saudi killers previously accomplished an earlier dastardly act of gruesome terror on US soil. Clearly, nothing the US has done since, has slaked their ally's taste for blood as the fit and proper response to whatever they don't like.
Time to pick better friends, no matter how much they buy from you.
Just to be clear, your preference is for the civilized world to shun and isolate the Saudis? How many North Koreas would you like to see in this world? There's plenty more Saudi Arabia's out there who have done every bit as much evil doing as the Saudis.
Donny's been crowing about how his buddy Kim's wised up, thanks to the isolation, and his personal outreach. Are you saying he's lying? Mistaken? Caving? Those are my my lines.
When you list those other awful regimes in some thread on general depravity among nations we can talk them over. But this thread's about just one specifically horrific bit of brute savagery by folks Donny was saying nice things about a a mere few days back.
Short answer: Yes
I think the North Korean example shows that simply telling a nation to go "stand in a corner" doesn't have the desired effect.
Trump hasn't claimed that simply isolating NK brought them around. He's claimed that making specific threats to them, and then ENGAGING their leadership, turned them around. It remains to be seen whether this approach had really changed things, but it's a clear change in approach.
Do you want Trump to mirror his policy towards NK in US policy towards SA?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves: If you want to pursue the analogy with North Korea, Trump's position is equivalent to Truman's on June 26 when his one-time Communist allies against Japan, looked the other way while their client state barbarously invaded the south.
After the Saudis become desperate for markets and goods from abroad, they'll be in the same frame of mind as Korea. He says it's working with Iran, as it has worked with Korea, so why not?
If telling NK to 'stand in a the corner' had no effect they'd still be developing missiles and mega-bombs. As with any sociopath, the first message has to be 'you can't get away with this, when you prove you know how to behave, then we talk'. As sociopaths both, Kimmy and Donny spoke the same message, and there's as yet no evidence either listened.
Enough of them, Korea's thousands of miles off topic.
"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" cried Henry II. And so some knights did, but the King never ordered the murder in the cathedral, not him! He didn't suffer justice, but the knights did.
Same deal.
I suspect that among other titles, MBS is also the Kingdom's High Executioner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw2Tr9xBw1Y
From the emperor's New Clothes and King Midas, all the way to-today one of the lessons you're supposed to learn in Presidenting School and from your Kinging Tutors is to Be Careful What You Wish For, because there's always some fool who will deliver it.
If you have a fool in the President's House or on the Throne, it'll be the helpful ass-kissers who pay the price, their rulers never do.
