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Trudeau to unveil carbon tax plan Tuesday for provinces that don't comply

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Trudeau to unveil carbon tax plan Tuesday for provinces that don't comply

Federal cabinet ministers to travel to holdout provinces to promote 'price on pollution'

John Paul Tasker, Catherine Cullen · CBC News · Posted: Oct 22, 2018 2:43 PM ET |

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will unveil Tuesday the federal government's plan for wayward provinces that do not comply with the national climate plan.

That plan, brokered with most provinces roughly two years ago, includes a carbon tax on greenhouse gas emissions as part of a larger effort to tackle climate change. Trudeau has said the federal government will implement the carbon tax in provinces that do not have a tax of their own, or a cap-and-trade system.

On Tuesday, Trudeau will reveal exactly how Ottawa will go about implementing the carbon tax — or, as the government prefers to describe it, a "price on pollution."

A senior government source confirmed a national price will be imposed on Ontario, New Brunswick, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Prince Edward Island is expected to see a "blended" program, with the federal backstop imposed on large emitters. Other provincial programs were assessed by Ottawa and were found to be adequate, said a source, speaking to the CBC's David Cochrane.

So what was initially intended as a "backstop" in the event that a few provinces failed to design their own carbon pricing plans has now become the principal carbon pricing mechanism for nearly half of the country's population. Roughly 47 per cent of Canadians live in provinces that have said they will not follow through on the national climate framework.

Trudeau has said that the tax will start at a minimum of $10 a tonne in 2019, rising by $10 each year to $50 a tonne by 2022.

Trudeau has long insisted the plan will be revenue-neutral for the federal government, with any revenues collected by the system staying in the province or territory where they are generated.

Liberal cabinet ministers are preparing to fan out across the country tomorrow to sell the climate plan to Canadians — and to try to reassure consumers it will add up to more money in their pockets, not less.

Led by Trudeau and Environment Minister Catherine McKenna in Toronto, ministers also will be speaking in New Brunswick, Saskatchewan and Manitoba — provinces that aren't complying with Ottawa's plan. The ministers will confirm that it will take effect as of January 1, 2019.

Ottawa plans to mail out rebate cheques to compensate people in provinces without a plan. The cheques are meant to offset some of the added cost the carbon tax will impose on goods like gasoline and natural gas.

While former Saskatchewan premier Brad Wall was initially the lone provincial holdout on the carbon tax, his successor, Scott Moe, has been joined by Ontario Premier Doug Ford and Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister in opposing the plan.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tasker-carbon-tax-plan-trudeau-1.4873177
 

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Those cheques will be of little consolation to workers put out of work when their companies relocate to the US or Mexico. This carbon tax is nothing more than a continuation of his father’s failed NEP, Trudeau is hoping to put a few more nails in the coffin of the oil & gas industry in Canada. First he scuttles 3 of 4 approved pipelines by changing the rules of the game and now this. I hope there are enough informed Canadians who will vote this imbecile out in a year.
 

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Is this how it works? I pay $1,000 to the Trudeau carbon tax and Trudeau will turn around and cut a cheque for $1,000 back to me?

What happens to people who live in a province that has a provincial carbon tax like Ontario use to have before the Liberals were tossed out?
 

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Is this how it works? I pay $1,000 to the Trudeau carbon tax and Trudeau will turn around and cut a cheque for $1,000 back to me?

What happens to people who live in a province that has a provincial carbon tax like Ontario use to have before the Liberals were tossed out?
You won’t be getting a cheque, you’ll get a token tax credit when you file your taxes.
 

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This whole project screams "boondoggle".

I can only imagine the amount of bloated governmental bureaucratic red tape this will cause. Overpaid workers protecting fiefdoms, inadequate processes, little to no accountability and in the end it really does fuck-all for what it was intended to do.

I hope this is the issue that his political career dies on.
 

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This whole project screams "boondoggle".

I can only imagine the amount of bloated governmental bureaucratic red tape this will cause. Overpaid workers protecting fiefdoms, inadequate processes, little to no accountability and in the end it really does fuck-all for what it was intended to do.

I hope this is the issue that his political career dies on.
Tell that to the Nobel Awards.
They just awarded the economics award to a report saying that carbon taxes are the best way forward.

Deal with it.
 

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Tell that to the Nobel Awards.
They just awarded the economics award to a report saying that carbon taxes are the best way forward.

Deal with it.
We will next year on election day........
 

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Tell that to the Nobel Awards.
They just awarded the economics award to a report saying that carbon taxes are the best way forward.

Deal with it.
Can you point to countries that have implemented carbon taxes that have reduced emissions?

You never want to confuse economic theory with the real world.

I’m all in favor of high carbon taxes in Canada as I think they could drive incremental investment into the US.

I do think the government is kidding itself that it’s taxes can overwhelm the macro economic trends.
 

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Can you point to countries that have implemented carbon taxes that have reduced emissions?

You never want to confuse economic theory with the real world.

I’m all in favor of high carbon taxes in Canada as I think they could drive incremental investment into the US.

I do think the government is kidding itself that it’s taxes can overwhelm the macro economic trends.
Trump has started a race to the bottom. Regrettably other countries may have no choice but to follow.
 

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It will take 20 years to fix what the man child has done to this country. He should go back to teaching grade 6 drama school. And while he's at it. Pick up a grade 6 science book and look up photosynthesis.

This is a country full of idiots and run by morons.

The UN is a Globalist run organization. This is not going to change anything except to make everyone poorer. Hopefully it will force the Western Provinces to break off from Canada and wake up the rest of the Country to how the Federal Government has lost their right to rule. Get rid of them or perish.
 

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You can keep posting that graph but the reality is that if the US is making progress it is not because of Trump's policies but in spite of them.
You are missing the point.

There is no “if”, are you anti fact?

I agree, that this has nothing to do with Trump (other than he’s not threatening the fracking industry) and has everything to do with the US energy industry innovation. Replacing coal with NG (because it’s cheaper) has allowed the US to be the only large country reducing emissions.

This shows how little effect vanity policy moves (carbon tax) and vanity projects (Chinese floating solar farms) have on the real problem. They are simply distractions so that those who don’t want to make any real change can fool the fools.
 

toguy5252

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You are missing the point.

There is no “if”, are you anti fact?

I agree, that this has nothing to do with Trump (other than he’s not threatening the fracking industry) and has everything to do with the US energy industry innovation. Replacing coal with NG (because it’s cheaper) has allowed the US to be the only large country reducing emissions.

This shows how little effect vanity policy moves (carbon tax) and vanity projects (Chinese floating solar farms) have on the real problem. They are simply distractions so that those who don’t want to make any real change can fool the fools.
I agree that in absolute terms that is very positive. i also believe that the full results of the Trump policies have not yet been felt and that those policies will mute an otherwise very good response by many states and many business and many individuals.

We do not know at this point whether carbon taxes will be effective or not but the consensus seems to be that they are effective and time will tell.

It is certainly better to try something that may work than to do nothing or to promote policies which will definitely have deleterious effects.
 

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It will take 20 years to fix what the man child has done to this country. He should go back to teaching grade 6 drama school. And while he's at it. Pick up a grade 6 science book and look up photosynthesis.

This is a country full of idiots and run by morons.

The UN is a Globalist run organization. This is not going to change anything except to make everyone poorer. Hopefully it will force the Western Provinces to break off from Canada and wake up the rest of the Country to how the Federal Government has lost their right to rule. Get rid of them or perish.
If it will take 20 years to fix what a good leader has done to Canada, then it will take about a century to fix what that moron down South has done to the deficit, divisiveness of that nation as well as pure hate that has not been seen since the Civil War!! So if you are not happy here please move down South, as what you are ranting about is not reality. Canadians have had enough of Harper and change was badly needed. Now we do not want to go back to a Junior Harper era - in other words a Baby Scheer style Government!!
 

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Why is it token? its going to be the same as the tax...
Trudeau is disingenuous and thinks people are just downright stupid. His tax rebate doesn’t come close to making anyone while. Trudeau’s rebate will only help offset a portion of tax portion paid by Canadians, not the endless unseen increases to our cost of living coming as we pay higher prices on everyday goods and services. But that’s the entire point.

The carbon tax is specifically designed to make our lives more expensive. By imposing a regressive tax, the Trudeau government is purposefully lowering our standard of living.

We will drive less, buy less, do less and have less.

It took 3 PM and 30 years to undo the disaster his Father created in Canada, the same will hold true with T2.0
 

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Trudeau is disingenuous and thinks people are just downright stupid. His tax rebate doesn’t come close to making anyone while. Trudeau’s rebate will only help offset a portion of tax portion paid by Canadians, not the endless unseen increases to our cost of living coming as we pay higher prices on everyday goods and services. But that’s the entire point.

The carbon tax is specifically designed to make our lives more expensive. By imposing a regressive tax, the Trudeau government is purposefully lowering our standard of living.

We will drive less, buy less, do less and have less.

It took 3 PM and 30 years to undo the disaster his Father created in Canada, the same will hold true with T2.0
He has committed to refunding all the money collected in each province on a province by province basis. If you are a huge emitter of carbon then yes, you won't get all your money back. Trade your Yukon Denali for a Leaf and you will get it back. That is the kind of behavior they are trying to encourage. If you agree that climate change is a problem (even Harper seemed to acknowledge it) what mechanism would you put in place? There was a better system put in place by Wynne, but DOFO got rid of it...so blame the dumb fatso.
 

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Trudeau is disingenuous and thinks people are just downright stupid. His tax rebate doesn’t come close to making anyone while. Trudeau’s rebate will only help offset a portion of tax portion paid by Canadians, not the endless unseen increases to our cost of living coming as we pay higher prices on everyday goods and services. But that’s the entire point.

The carbon tax is specifically designed to make our lives more expensive. By imposing a regressive tax, the Trudeau government is purposefully lowering our standard of living.

We will drive less, buy less, do less and have less.

It took 3 PM and 30 years to undo the disaster his Father created in Canada, the same will hold true with T2.0
Canada is spending $1 billion a year more because of extreme weather events since 2009.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/climate-change-canada-1.4878263

Doing something now to minimize more costs later makes sound financial sense.
If you're a right winger, shouldn't you understand that?
 

Orion1027

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He has committed to refunding all the money collected in each province on a province by province basis. If you are a huge emitter of carbon then yes, you won't get all your money back. Trade your Yukon Denali for a Leaf and you will get it back. That is the kind of behavior they are trying to encourage. If you agree that climate change is a problem (even Harper seemed to acknowledge it) what mechanism would you put in place? There was a better system put in place by Wynne, but DOFO got rid of it...so blame the dumb fatso.
Firstly I don’t drive a Denali.....it’s a Range River! Secondly, how does the man who claimed “modest deficits” have any clue how to quantify people’s spending habits and the degree to which the TAX will affect individual households? I’m fortunate that the carbon tax will not impact me. There are a great number of households that will be affected, a hike in gas prices, groceries, heating etc will slam lower income and middle class families. These are the one Trudeau claimed to be looking out for. He’s full of shit! He doesn’t have the stones to raise the GST so he has to fund his largess in other ways.
 
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