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The numbers are in — Canada's border crossers keep on coming

Conil

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"We’re now witnessing migration patterns similar to what’s happening in Europe." Watch Trump stop the convoy coming up and Trudeau find excuse why he can't.



It’s been a funny phenomenon, the conversation around Canada’s illegal border crossings. It was a big deal back last year when the problem was first reported upon, albeit a little late and more than a little begrudgingly, by my venerable colleagues in the press.

Since then, it dies down and flares up every couple of months. Like in April, when Conservative MP Michelle Rempel proposed making the entire border an official point of entry. Or in July, when federal Liberal minister Ahmed Hussen inferred Ontario PC cabinet minister Lisa MacLeod was “unCanadian” for her questions on the file.

Now, it only makes sense to bring up the issue again when there’s something new to report, say a new development or policy revision and so on. But these lull periods in the news might give people the impression that these are also lull periods when it comes to the actual numbers. And that when we are not talking about all of these people crossing illegally into the country every month that’s because they aren’t doing it or at least not a much. That is not the case. Far from it.

On Thursday, the government released the September numbers and they tell an interesting story. They haven’t really gone up all that much, depending on what month you compare them to. But they haven’t really gone down either. They’re just there. Constant.

And that’s the thing. Canada’s illegal border phenomenon hasn’t gone way. It’s staying put. It’s the new normal.
Last month, a total of 1,601 people crossed “irregularly” into Canada and made an asylum claim. That’s far fewer people than the record high of last August, which was 5,712. But it’s higher than several months out of this year, including June’s tally of 1,263 people.

If you average out all of the reported monthly numbers since the problem began at the beginning of 2017, you get 1,729 as the monthly average number. So right now we’re just slightly below average, with around 50 people a day making the journey.

That is not the 200 or more that some experts worried would become the new normal. But it’s still a major departure from where we were at before this all began. In 2016, there were 2,464 people apprehended. That’s not just for one month. That’s the whole year.

Back in August, Louis Dumas, a senior public servant with Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship, told the city council of Cornwall — which is Ontario’s unofficial welcome wagon to the Roxham Rd. crossers who decide they won’t stay put in Quebec — that we’re now witnessing migration patterns similar to what’s happening in Europe.

“Canada is no longer protected from this reality,” he said.

Looks like he was right.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...7mooak2qcUSzv6UOAaLB26VRNmP6RrpLSZYLqQZ7k7zPg
 

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With “Mr. Inclusivity” runnning the government would you expect anything better? Trudeau is creating a huge problem for this country with this uncontrolled immigration. While we absolutely need immigration in Canada, what we don’t need is Trudeau’s pedestrian effort on the immigration file . What nobody understands about Trudeau is that he’s not worried about what’s good for Canada, he’s worried about getting himself a position at the UN once he’s done taking Canada apart. It’s hard for Trudeau to comprehend anything because he’s never had to work or do anything for himself. He’s always lived off of others and this disconnect is coming out in spades.
 

Conil

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With “Mr. Inclusivity” runnning the government would you expect anything better? Trudeau is creating a huge problem for this country with this uncontrolled immigration. While we absolutely need immigration in Canada, what we don’t need is Trudeau’s pedestrian effort on the immigration file . What nobody understands about Trudeau is that he’s not worried about what’s good for Canada, he’s worried about getting himself a position at the UN once he’s done taking Canada apart. It’s hard for Trudeau to comprehend anything because he’s never had to work or do anything for himself. He’s always lived off of others and this disconnect is coming out in spades.
He's a piece of work, isn't he?


Trudeau Statement On 4-Year Anniversary Of National War Memorial Terrorist Attack Doesn’t Mention ‘Terrorism,’ & Refers To ‘Fear-Mongering’ And ‘Inclusion

Justin Trudeau is facing criticism following his statement on the fourth anniversary of the terrorist attack on the National War Memorial and Parliament Hill.

Trudeau’s statement can be viewed below:

“The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today issued the following statement on the four-year anniversary of the attack at the National War Memorial and Parliament Hill:

“Four years ago today, a tragic and senseless attack at the National War Memorial and Parliament Hill in Ottawa claimed the life of Corporal Nathan Cirillo, a sentry at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, and left several others injured.

“On this sombre anniversary, we remember Corporal Cirillo and Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent, who was killed two days earlier in a separate attack in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Quebec. Our thoughts are with their families and friends, and all those affected by these attacks.

“As we pay tribute to these fallen members of the Canadian Armed Forces, we also pay our respects to the brave first responders and members of our Parliamentary family who acted without hesitation to keep us safe.

“As Canadians, we will not surrender to hatred, and let attacks like these divide us. In the face of cowardly violence and fear mongering, we will not compromise our most cherished values – freedom, democracy, diversity, and inclusion.

“Today, I encourage everyone to show gratitude to the valiant Canadians in uniform, past and present. Their dedication and service protect and defend everything that Canada stands for.””

Many Canadians condemned Trudeau’s politically-motivated comments, including Sun Media columnist Anthony Furey:

“This is really stooping to a new low. Trudeau uses the anniversary of the death of Nathan Cirillo to basically chastise Canadians for “fear mongering” about “diversity”:”

Here’s what people are saying about it:

“So Trudeau used this moment to make a campaign message. Not nice..”

“This poor excuse of a Canadian leader has zero compassion for Canadians. Zero!”

“Trudeau’s assault on Canadians is unprecedented.”

“PM @JustinTrudeau is clearly not very bright. There is something seriously dysfunctional of him to not blame the jihadi terrorist who killed a Canadian soldier, but instead lectures those of us who could be victims of the ISIS terrorists he is trying to bring back to our country.”

https://www.spencerfernando.com/201...orism-refers-to-fear-mongering-and-inclusion/
 

mandrill

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With “Mr. Inclusivity” runnning the government would you expect anything better? Trudeau is creating a huge problem for this country with this uncontrolled immigration. While we absolutely need immigration in Canada, what we don’t need is Trudeau’s pedestrian effort on the immigration file . What nobody understands about Trudeau is that he’s not worried about what’s good for Canada, he’s worried about getting himself a position at the UN once he’s done taking Canada apart. It’s hard for Trudeau to comprehend anything because he’s never had to work or do anything for himself. He’s always lived off of others and this disconnect is coming out in spades.

You STILL are not listening to anything I write. And you just gabble on without having any background knowledge. It's sad.

These are NOT immigrants. These are refugee claimants. They cross between border points, so they are not turned back by CBSA. Why do they do this?...... Because Harper and his little buddy Scheer fucked up so badly when they negotiated the Safe Third Country Treaty with the US 10 years ago, that CBSA cannot legally turn back asylum claimants into the US if they avoid border crossing points and simply walk into the country. Weird? Yup. But ask the Tories why they missed this little loophole.

I already told you that Trudeau cannot turn these people away because Canada - and all other Western countries - signed on to the UN Charter on Refugees in the late 1940's. ALL Western countries face the same issue.

So, it's not Trudeau's fault. It's the Tories fault. Go check Wikipedia on the Safe Third Country Treaty.

And no. Trudeau isn't "betraying Canada because he wants a job at the UN". He inherited the Safe Third Country mess from Harper, just like he inherited the Khadr train wreck from Harper.

Why are the numbers of asylum seeker entries from the US higher than they used to be?..... Notice how they coincide exactly with Trump's election and the termination of US temporary residence programs for certain groups of people..... who then came up to Canada and claimed asylum. Again, nothing to do with Trudeau.

You can go back and read all the threads on this that have already been posted. I just repeat myself with this nonsense again and again.
 

mandrill

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He's a piece of work, isn't he?


Trudeau Statement On 4-Year Anniversary Of National War Memorial Terrorist Attack Doesn’t Mention ‘Terrorism,’ & Refers To ‘Fear-Mongering’ And ‘Inclusion

Justin Trudeau is facing criticism following his statement on the fourth anniversary of the terrorist attack on the National War Memorial and Parliament Hill.

Trudeau’s statement can be viewed below:

“The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today issued the following statement on the four-year anniversary of the attack at the National War Memorial and Parliament Hill:

“Four years ago today, a tragic and senseless attack at the National War Memorial and Parliament Hill in Ottawa claimed the life of Corporal Nathan Cirillo, a sentry at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, and left several others injured.

“On this sombre anniversary, we remember Corporal Cirillo and Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent, who was killed two days earlier in a separate attack in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Quebec. Our thoughts are with their families and friends, and all those affected by these attacks.

“As we pay tribute to these fallen members of the Canadian Armed Forces, we also pay our respects to the brave first responders and members of our Parliamentary family who acted without hesitation to keep us safe.

“As Canadians, we will not surrender to hatred, and let attacks like these divide us. In the face of cowardly violence and fear mongering, we will not compromise our most cherished values – freedom, democracy, diversity, and inclusion.

“Today, I encourage everyone to show gratitude to the valiant Canadians in uniform, past and present. Their dedication and service protect and defend everything that Canada stands for.””

Many Canadians condemned Trudeau’s politically-motivated comments, including Sun Media columnist Anthony Furey:

“This is really stooping to a new low. Trudeau uses the anniversary of the death of Nathan Cirillo to basically chastise Canadians for “fear mongering” about “diversity”:”

Here’s what people are saying about it:

“So Trudeau used this moment to make a campaign message. Not nice..”

“This poor excuse of a Canadian leader has zero compassion for Canadians. Zero!”

“Trudeau’s assault on Canadians is unprecedented.”

“PM @JustinTrudeau is clearly not very bright. There is something seriously dysfunctional of him to not blame the jihadi terrorist who killed a Canadian soldier, but instead lectures those of us who could be victims of the ISIS terrorists he is trying to bring back to our country.”

https://www.spencerfernando.com/201...orism-refers-to-fear-mongering-and-inclusion/

It's not a campaign message. It's a statement of basic Canadian values. And hey! - Here we have a Far right website (Spencer Fernando) and one of the board's resident extreme righties, Conil posting this stuff in 2 separate threads as an anti Islam message. So Trudeau was right. The deaths of the two servicemen are being exploited by the Far right for their own political purposes.
 

mandrill

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"We’re now witnessing migration patterns similar to what’s happening in Europe." Watch Trump stop the convoy coming up and Trudeau find excuse why he can't.



It’s been a funny phenomenon, the conversation around Canada’s illegal border crossings. It was a big deal back last year when the problem was first reported upon, albeit a little late and more than a little begrudgingly, by my venerable colleagues in the press.

Since then, it dies down and flares up every couple of months. Like in April, when Conservative MP Michelle Rempel proposed making the entire border an official point of entry. Or in July, when federal Liberal minister Ahmed Hussen inferred Ontario PC cabinet minister Lisa MacLeod was “unCanadian” for her questions on the file.

Now, it only makes sense to bring up the issue again when there’s something new to report, say a new development or policy revision and so on. But these lull periods in the news might give people the impression that these are also lull periods when it comes to the actual numbers. And that when we are not talking about all of these people crossing illegally into the country every month that’s because they aren’t doing it or at least not a much. That is not the case. Far from it.

On Thursday, the government released the September numbers and they tell an interesting story. They haven’t really gone up all that much, depending on what month you compare them to. But they haven’t really gone down either. They’re just there. Constant.

And that’s the thing. Canada’s illegal border phenomenon hasn’t gone way. It’s staying put. It’s the new normal.
Last month, a total of 1,601 people crossed “irregularly” into Canada and made an asylum claim. That’s far fewer people than the record high of last August, which was 5,712. But it’s higher than several months out of this year, including June’s tally of 1,263 people.

If you average out all of the reported monthly numbers since the problem began at the beginning of 2017, you get 1,729 as the monthly average number. So right now we’re just slightly below average, with around 50 people a day making the journey.

That is not the 200 or more that some experts worried would become the new normal. But it’s still a major departure from where we were at before this all began. In 2016, there were 2,464 people apprehended. That’s not just for one month. That’s the whole year.

Back in August, Louis Dumas, a senior public servant with Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship, told the city council of Cornwall — which is Ontario’s unofficial welcome wagon to the Roxham Rd. crossers who decide they won’t stay put in Quebec — that we’re now witnessing migration patterns similar to what’s happening in Europe.

“Canada is no longer protected from this reality,” he said.

Looks like he was right.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...7mooak2qcUSzv6UOAaLB26VRNmP6RrpLSZYLqQZ7k7zPg

Aaah, the Sun. 20,000 people enter illegally into Canada every year to make asylum claims and it's "the same as Europe" which is hit with hundreds of thousands of refugee claims in the course of a year. And hey, a year ago The Sun was gloom and dooming that we would be hit with 100,000 overland refugee claimants in Canada by this time in 2018. Didn't happen, huh?

Gotta love the Sun. In Canada, 20,000 newcomers aren't even noticeable. And about half of those will fail their refugee hearing and be removed anyway. So make that 10,000. All of whom will have passed the refugee hearing and been found legitimate refugees. Which means they're entitled to be here anyway under the UN Convention on Refugees.

And Trump can't stop the convoy. As soon as it hits the US border, the convoy people get to make their own refugee claims - because the US is also a signatory nation to the UN Convention on Refugees. So all Trump can do is hope that the MEXICANS stop the convoy long before it reaches the US border.
 

Orion1027

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You STILL are not listening to anything I write. And you just gabble on without having any background knowledge. It's sad.

These are NOT immigrants. These are refugee claimants. They cross between border points, so they are not turned back by CBSA. Why do they do this?...... Because Harper and his little buddy Scheer fucked up so badly when they negotiated the Safe Third Country Treaty with the US 10 years ago, that CBSA cannot legally turn back asylum claimants into the US if they avoid border crossing points and simply walk into the country. Weird? Yup. But ask the Tories why they missed this little loophole.

I already told you that Trudeau cannot turn these people away because Canada - and all other Western countries - signed on to the UN Charter on Refugees in the late 1940's. ALL Western countries face the same issue.

So, it's not Trudeau's fault. It's the Tories fault. Go check Wikipedia on the Safe Third Country Treaty.

And no. Trudeau isn't "betraying Canada because he wants a job at the UN". He inherited the Safe Third Country mess from Harper, just like he inherited the Khadr train wreck from Harper.

Why are the numbers of asylum seeker entries from the US higher than they used to be?..... Notice how they coincide exactly with Trump's election and the termination of US temporary residence programs for certain groups of people..... who then came up to Canada and claimed asylum. Again, nothing to do with Trudeau.

You can go back and read all the threads on this that have already been posted. I just repeat myself with this nonsense again and again.
It’s you that doesn’t read anything and babbles on about nonsense. I provided you a list of requirements to file a refugee claim and you choose to ignore that.
 

wigglee

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With “Mr. Inclusivity” runnning the government would you expect anything better? Trudeau is creating a huge problem for this country with this uncontrolled immigration. While we absolutely need immigration in Canada, what we don’t need is Trudeau’s pedestrian effort on the immigration file . What nobody understands about Trudeau is that he’s not worried about what’s good for Canada, he’s worried about getting himself a position at the UN once he’s done taking Canada apart. It’s hard for Trudeau to comprehend anything because he’s never had to work or do anything for himself. He’s always lived off of others and this disconnect is coming out in spades.
What a bunch of bullshit conjecture... there is nothing wrong with Trudeau's statement that ....

“As we pay tribute to these fallen members of the Canadian Armed Forces, we also pay our respects to the brave first responders and members of our Parliamentary family who acted without hesitation to keep us safe.

“As Canadians, we will not surrender to hatred, and let attacks like these divide us. In the face of cowardly violence and fear mongering, we will not compromise our most cherished values – freedom, democracy, diversity, and inclusion.

“Today, I encourage everyone to show gratitude to the valiant Canadians in uniform, past and present. Their dedication and service protect and defend everything that Canada stands for.””
 

jcpro

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It is beyond me why Trudeau is giving so much ammunition to his opposition for the upcoming election. Does he not like being the PM or is he really that tone deaf?
 

bver_hunter

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What a bunch of bullshit conjecture... there is nothing wrong with Trudeau's statement that ....

“As we pay tribute to these fallen members of the Canadian Armed Forces, we also pay our respects to the brave first responders and members of our Parliamentary family who acted without hesitation to keep us safe.

“As Canadians, we will not surrender to hatred, and let attacks like these divide us. In the face of cowardly violence and fear mongering, we will not compromise our most cherished values – freedom, democracy, diversity, and inclusion.

“Today, I encourage everyone to show gratitude to the valiant Canadians in uniform, past and present. Their dedication and service protect and defend everything that Canada stands for.””
The right wingers try to nitpick on every Trudeau statement. But Trudeau is nothing like the bullshit that Trump spews from his nostrils. Yet all these right wingers take it as Gospel Truth, although they are the most blatant, and false lies. I guess these right wingers want Trudeau to lie and to come up with very misleading as well as racist statements. Then they will say; okay now he looks like a leader that we want to love!! This immigration crap has been blown out of proportion by the right wingers. Canada is not going through the same crisis as Europe and we have the cream of the crop. The refugees that Trump has expelled for racist reasons should be welcomed to Canada. Period!!
 

mandrill

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It’s you that doesn’t read anything and babbles on about nonsense. I provided you a list of requirements to file a refugee claim and you choose to ignore that.

Oh, you did??!!

It must have gotten lost in all your gadzillion posts of nonsense and deflections. So let me deal with it now.

A refugee claimant has to have a "well founded fear of persecution" in his / her home country. It's an evidentiary burden. The claim is assessed at 2 levels. If it's clear that it's nonsensical - i.e. the person is an American or a Brit and clearly is making it up, they are quickly disqualified. If the claim may have some merit - i.e. the person is from Nigeria or Chad - then it goes to a full hearing. If the claimant convinces a panel of experts that the claim is genuine, they stay. If not, they are turfed.

Help you? You could go look this up, if you were interested in having a real discussion and not just fighting with people who have different political views than you do.

And before you parade around insulting me, I've posted dozens of links about this stuff in past threads. Go read them.
 

Orion1027

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It's not a campaign message. It's a statement of basic Canadian values. And hey! - Here we have a Far right website (Spencer Fernando) and one of the board's resident extreme righties, Conil posting this stuff in 2 separate threads as an anti Islam message. So Trudeau was right. The deaths of the two servicemen are being exploited by the Far right for their own political purposes.
Canadian values you say? Trudeau is the idiot running his mouth that there is no core Canadian identity or values claiming Canada is a “Post national country” whatever that means. I can’t understand how so many Canadians wasted their vote on this imbecile.
 

Orion1027

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Oh, you did??!!

It must have gotten lost in all your gadzillion posts of nonsense and deflections. So let me deal with it now.

A refugee claimant has to have a "well founded fear of persecution" in his / her home country. It's an evidentiary burden. The claim is assessed at 2 levels. If it's clear that it's nonsensical - i.e. the person is an American or a Brit and clearly is making it up, they are quickly disqualified. If the claim may have some merit - i.e. the person is from Nigeria or Chad - then it goes to a full hearing. If the claimant convinces a panel of experts that the claim is genuine, they stay. If not, they are turfed.

Help you? You could go look this up, if you were interested in having a real discussion and not just fighting with people who have different political views than you do.

And before you parade around insulting me, I've posted dozens of links about this stuff in past threads. Go read them.
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I may disagree with you but I don’t believe I’ve insulted you. If I have, it wasn’t my intention.
 

mandrill

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Oh, you did??!!

It must have gotten lost in all your gadzillion posts of nonsense and deflections. So let me deal with it now.

A refugee claimant has to have a "well founded fear of persecution" in his / her home country. It's an evidentiary burden. The claim is assessed at 2 levels. If it's clear that it's nonsensical - i.e. the person is an American or a Brit and clearly is making it up, they are quickly disqualified. If the claim may have some merit - i.e. the person is from Nigeria or Chad - then it goes to a full hearing. If the claimant convinces a panel of experts that the claim is genuine, they stay. If not, they are turfed.

Help you? You could go look this up, if you were interested in having a real discussion and not just fighting with people who have different political views than you do.

And before you parade around insulting me, I've posted dozens of links about this stuff in past threads. Go read them.


I may disagree with you but I don’t believe I’ve insulted you. If I have, it wasn’t my intention.


"It’s you that doesn’t read anything and babbles on about nonsense. I provided you a list of requirements to file a refugee claim and you choose to ignore that."

Yeah. Right. Just read your last post.
 

mandrill

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Canadian values you say? Trudeau is the idiot running his mouth that there is no core Canadian identity or values claiming Canada is a “Post national country” whatever that means. I can’t understand how so many Canadians wasted their vote on this imbecile.

In my office building, it's probably 60% brown, yellow or black. Ride the subway, same thing. Go to the Mall, same thing. Go to a bar, same thing.

What are you seeing?

I believe in Canadian values of tolerance, fairness and merit. I don't believe Canada is a white country any longer. And I'm not seeing that as a loss. If that makes Canada "post national", fair enough.
 

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In my office building, it's probably 60% brown, yellow or black. Ride the subway, same thing. Go to the Mall, same thing. Go to a bar, same thing.

What are you seeing?

I believe in Canadian values of tolerance, fairness and merit. I don't believe Canada is a white country any longer. And I'm not seeing that as a loss. If that makes Canada "post national", fair enough.
Toronto for sure.
Though the farther north you go in the province the less diversity.
 

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You STILL are not listening to anything I write. And you just gabble on without having any background knowledge. It's sad.

These are NOT immigrants. These are refugee claimants. They cross between border points, so they are not turned back by CBSA. Why do they do this?...... Because Harper and his little buddy Scheer fucked up so badly when they negotiated the Safe Third Country Treaty with the US 10 years ago, that CBSA cannot legally turn back asylum claimants into the US if they avoid border crossing points and simply walk into the country. Weird? Yup. But ask the Tories why they missed this little loophole.

I already told you that Trudeau cannot turn these people away because Canada - and all other Western countries - signed on to the UN Charter on Refugees in the late 1940's. ALL Western countries face the same issue.

So, it's not Trudeau's fault. It's the Tories fault. Go check Wikipedia on the Safe Third Country Treaty.

And no. Trudeau isn't "betraying Canada because he wants a job at the UN". He inherited the Safe Third Country mess from Harper, just like he inherited the Khadr train wreck from Harper.

Why are the numbers of asylum seeker entries from the US higher than they used to be?..... Notice how they coincide exactly with Trump's election and the termination of US temporary residence programs for certain groups of people..... who then came up to Canada and claimed asylum. Again, nothing to do with Trudeau.

You can go back and read all the threads on this that have already been posted. I just repeat myself with this nonsense again and again.
I’d answer the last question by saying that many of these immigrants are not really asylum seekers but economic immigrants. They know the US administration is likely to be far less lenient and they are venue shopping to Canada. You’ll notice they didn’t go to Mexico.
 

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In my office building, it's probably 60% brown, yellow or black. Ride the subway, same thing. Go to the Mall, same thing. Go to a bar, same thing.

What are you seeing?

I believe in Canadian values of tolerance, fairness and merit. I don't believe Canada is a white country any longer. And I'm not seeing that as a loss. If that makes Canada "post national", fair enough.
Your anecdotal observation may not be representative:

At the 2011 census, the racial and ethnic composition of Ontario was 71.7% white, 25.9% visible minority groups and 2.4% Aboriginal groups

http://worldpopulationreview.com/canadian-provinces/ontario-population/

For reference, US population in 2000 was 75% White, that decreased in the last 18 years - Ontario and the US have about the same diversity.
 

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I’d answer the last question by saying that many of these immigrants are not really asylum seekers but economic immigrants. They know the US administration is likely to be far less lenient and they are venue shopping to Canada. You’ll notice they didn’t go to Mexico.
These people have a right to make a refugee claim. that does not mean that the claim will be successful.
 

Bud Plug

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In my office building, it's probably 60% brown, yellow or black. Ride the subway, same thing. Go to the Mall, same thing. Go to a bar, same thing.

What are you seeing?

I believe in Canadian values of tolerance, fairness and merit. I don't believe Canada is a white country any longer. And I'm not seeing that as a loss. If that makes Canada "post national", fair enough.
I see the same thing as you, in Toronto. Not so much, yet, outside of Toronto. Went to a chamber of commerce type meeting last week a couple of hours outside of Toronto. Percentage of whites in a meeting of 200 business people? 100%!

Interestingly, we aren't too far apart on a statement of Canadian values, except I would list merit first, and omit fairness as being redundant of merit.
 
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