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Was There a Connection Between a Russian Bank and the Trump Campaign?

Butler1000

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The answer at this point to your question seems to be no.


Even the article states (at the end, I read it all) that every assumption is just that, pure speculation without any substantive proof.

But I suppose they have to go back and rehash for content as they don't have anything new.
 

Frankfooter

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The answer at this point to your question seems to be no.
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You should just write a note to Mueller and tell him this yourself.
Could save all this wasted investigation time and resources since you obviously know so much more then him and the entire FBI.

Al Jazeera has a good article out that describes the Trump type of populism as national-populism.
Really its just a variation on good old fascism with fake crocodile tears for the masses.

There are three main characteristics to such a model. The first is social protection. The first action of the new Italian government was meeting with representatives of one of the most exploited social groups: delivery workers in the gig economy. The next step was to pass a tightening of the labour law that was sold as "the end of precarity". The third was to pass minimum income legislation sold as "the abolishment of poverty".

Of course, nothing substantial has been done for gig economy workers, the labour law barely scraped the surface of the problem and the minimum income law was scaled back to a forced-labour programme that is among the harshest in Europe. But this is all about symbols. And after three decades of uninterrupted neoliberal hegemony symbols matter a great deal.

The second characteristic is nationalism. Surely, you might ask, the electorate will see through the fake socialism? This is where scapegoating comes in. The government has produced a witch-hunt that has led to repeated racist attacks across the country, the arrest of pro-refugee mayor Mimmo Lucano, and constant blaming of migrants for the country's ills. And where migrants are not enough, there is the constant blame-game with the European Union. The government can't do all that it promised? Too many migrants and too much EU.

The third characteristic is neoliberalism. The first budget law of the new government provides for a highly regressive flat tax - benefitting the richest - and large-scale impunity for tax dodgers. Observers expect the law to increase, rather than decrease, income inequalities. And while the remnants of the liberal establishment cry out against the government's excessive budget deficit, the country's many small and medium enterprises are lured and fall in line: beginning with the president of Italy's union of industrialists.

National-populism brings together elements of fake social care, exacerbated nationalism and a compensatory pro-business approach. The model calls for a new grand bargain where social-sounding gestures accompany regressive taxation, while nationalism directs social anger away from an unjust economic system and towards the foreigner.

Panem et circenses - bread and circus - is how this model was called two thousand years earlier in ancient Rome. Give the people loaves of bread and a nationalist circus, and the economic elites can accumulate wealth with impunity. Today, the model rings a bell from Washington, DC, to New Delhi, from Manila to Brasilia.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/national-populism-global-model-born-181016120021536.html
 

Butler1000

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You should just write a note to Mueller and tell him this yourself.
Could save all this wasted investigation time and resources since you obviously know so much more then him and the entire FBI.

Al Jazeera has a good article out that describes the Trump type of populism as national-populism.
Really its just a variation on good old fascism with fake crocodile tears for the masses.


https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/national-populism-global-model-born-181016120021536.html
So again you have nothing to add and instead post something unrelated.
 

Frankfooter

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So again you have nothing to add and instead post something unrelated.
The AJ article labels the Trump government as nationalist populism.
That's relevant, as it describes a government run by rich despots who claim they'd be for the people but in fact cut all social services and corruptly steal the people's money.

Including acting as a traitor and colluding with Putin to steal the election.
What you know about Alfa Bank and Trump is exactly the same as what you know about what Mueller's team of cooperators has said about Trump.
https://thehill.com/policy/national...ssembles-team-of-cooperators-in-russian-probe

Zero.
 

Frankfooter

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Oh gosh, what is ever going to happen if you have an actual Alpha-Bank account?
Guess you'll have to wait until after the midterms to find out.

CNN has a good update on what they've been able to find out about Mueller's work.

Ever since reaching a deal with special counsel Robert Mueller, Paul Manafort has kept the Russia prosecutors busy.

The former Trump campaign chairman and his lawyers have visited Mueller's office in Washington at least nine times in the last four weeks, a strong indication that the special counsel is moving at a steady clip.
September and October at first glance appear to be quiet periods for the investigation, under the Justice Department's guidelines to avoid public political acts before the midterm elections. But the quiet period has seen a persistent murmur of activity, based on near-daily sightings of Mueller's prosecutors and sources involved in the investigation.

In addition to Manafort, Mueller's team has kept interviewing witnesses, gathered a grand jury weekly to meet in Washington on most Fridays, and kicked up other still-secret court action. Plus, the discussions between the President's legal team and the special counsel's office have intensified in recent weeks, including after the special counsel sent questions about possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian government. The President's attorneys are expected to reply to the questions in writing.

People around Trump and other witnesses believe more criminal indictments will come from Mueller.
Attorneys who have dealt with Mueller's investigators and other officials expect that the special counsel's efforts, now 17 months in the works, will include an active post-election period a much-anticipated report where Mueller will outline what his investigators decided to prosecute and what they declined.

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the investigation, on Wednesday called the probe "appropriate and independent," in an interview with The Wall Street Journal.
"[A]t the end of the day, the public will have confidence that the cases we brought were warranted by the evidence and that it was an appropriate use of resources."
Treasury official charged with leaking docs related to Russia, Manafort

A frequent cooperator

At least nine times since he pleaded guilty on September 14, a black Ford SUV has brought Manafort to Mueller's office in southwest DC around 10 am. Manafort's lawyers arrive around the same time, waiting in the lobby for the car to arrive. There they remain inside the offices, typically for six hours.

It's not entirely clear yet what Manafort has shared with prosecutors, and if his interviews check facts that haven't yet come to light outside of the prosecutors' own notes. Among the questions, investigators have asked Manafort about his dealings with Russians, according to one source familiar with the matter.


Attorneys for Manafort would not discuss their activities for this story.

The visits amount to what could total dozens of hours of interviews between Mueller's prosecutors and Manafort since he finalized his plea agreement. Manafort agreed to fully cooperate with the Justice Department as it investigates the Trump campaign and the Russian government's actions before the 2016 election.

At the same time, Trump has distanced himself from crimes investigators still may be pursuing. He publicly claimed this week that criminal charges so far brought by Mueller's team have nothing to do with him. Trump attorneys declined to comment for this story.


The flurry of interviews with Manafort and other cooperating defendants leaves Trump's legal team somewhat in the dark on what Mueller is pursuing.
Manafort's lawyers have shared information with the Trump legal team, but according to sources familiar with the case, there is no formal joint defense agreement.
Manafort's criminal confessions and separate conviction by a jury dealt with his Ukrainian lobbying work and financial dealings largely before 2016. Yet his cooperation is widely expected to include helping the prosecutors build potential criminal cases about coordination between the Russian government and Trump campaign.

Aside from Manafort, three other Trump campaign officials have pleaded guilty to charges. Two of them, campaign deputy Rick Gates and former national security adviser Michael Flynn, also agreed to broadly help Mueller's team with its investigation and have visited the special counsel's office to give interviews since their pleas.

Mueller's team has also been speaking with Michael Cohen, Trump's former personal attorney, who has spent hours with Mueller's team since his own guilty plea in August, in which he accused President Donald Trump of directing him to commit a crime.


Meanwhile, Trump's team is working up answers to Mueller's questions. Even if the defense team were to sign and deliver their answers soon, Mueller's office may have follow-up questions that drag out their discussions. The legal team, comprised of personal and White House lawyers Jay Sekulow, Marty and Jane Raskin and Emmet Flood, still hasn't reached an agreement on whether the President will be interviewed in person or must respond to questions about possible obstruction of justice related to his firing of FBI Director James Comey.

While they're in investigatory limbo, expectations have grown in Washington legal circles that Mueller will issue a report soon after the November election or even before the end of the year.
When it's finished, Mueller's report is expected to explain the decisions of the Justice Department to bring or to decline to bring criminal cases during the course of the investigation. Mueller's findings and decisions will be confidential, unless higher-up officials in the Justice Department decide to make the report public.

As of now, the Trump legal team operates under the belief that Mueller won't finish his work without bringing indictments that hit closer to the Trump campaign.
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The next campaign contact in Mueller's crosshairs may be Trump adviser Roger Stone, who's publicly said he expects to be indicted after nine of his friends and aides spoke to Mueller's office or received grand jury subpoenas. In the last two weeks, multiple contacts of Stone have been in touch with the special counsel's office about them providing information, according to CNN's reporting.

Special counsel prosecutors have also visited the federal courthouse in downtown Washington almost daily.

Once in early September and once in early October, Chief Judge Beryl Howell held hour-long sealed hearings in her courtroom featuring trial and appellate prosecutors from Mueller's office. Both times, the lawyers opposite the Justice Department declined to share with CNN their names, clients names or law firms. Howell oversees court action related to the federal grand jury that Mueller has used to approve indictments in DC.

Previously she has ordered two witnesses -- a real estate agent and a lawyer -- to testify against Manafort before the grand jury, and she held Andrew Miller, a Stone associate, in contempt for refusing to comply with a subpoena. The real estate and lawyer orders became public on the eve of Manafort's indictment last October, and Miller's attorneys spoke publicly about his subpoena challenge as it was ongoing.

Other times in the courthouse in recent weeks, the Mueller investigators visit the chief judge's chambers and then clerk's office, indicating a flurry of court paperwork.

A spokesperson for Howell and the federal court in DC declined to comment on the nature of the recent sealed court activity, as did a spokesman for the special counsel's office.

As the court action moves forward, Trump himself has said he is working on giving information to Mueller. When asked by the Associated Press on Tuesday if he would sit for an interview with Mueller or simply answer written questions, as his lawyers have agreed to do, Trump said: "You know that's in process. It's a tremendous waste of time for the president of the United States."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/17/politics/muellers-quiet-period-has-not-been-very-quiet/index.html
 

Butler1000

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The AJ article labels the Trump government as nationalist populism.
That's relevant, as it describes a government run by rich despots who claim they'd be for the people but in fact cut all social services and corruptly steal the people's money.

Including acting as a traitor and colluding with Putin to steal the election.
What you know about Alfa Bank and Trump is exactly the same as what you know about what Mueller's team of cooperators has said about Trump.
https://thehill.com/policy/national...ssembles-team-of-cooperators-in-russian-probe

Zero.
Getting more shrill. You should go hang out in the Senate hallways you would fit right in.
 

Butler1000

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At least I have reports to back up my statements.
Your blanket denial is all you have left.
Why would I have to post long winded articles filled with conjecture?

Innocent until proven guilty remember?
 

Frankfooter

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Why would I have to post long winded articles filled with conjecture?

Innocent until proven guilty remember?
Nope.

You're the one whose blanket denials are all conjecture based on you believing the word of a bullshit artist.

I'm basing my views on the publicly released information, through court documents, from Mueller.
https://www.wired.com/story/wired25-robert-mueller/

You won't open your eyes, will you?
 

Butler1000

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Nope.

You're the one whose blanket denials are all conjecture based on you believing the word of a bullshit artist.

I'm basing my views on the publicly released information, through court documents, from Mueller.
https://www.wired.com/story/wired25-robert-mueller/

You won't open your eyes, will you?
Once evidence is released sure. Kick Trump out, put Pence in, rile up the base, set up a constitution crisis.

It will be grand........
 

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Once evidence is released sure. Kick Trump out, put Pence in, rile up the base, set up a constitution crisis.

It will be grand........
Just think why the Dems are so upset. On the Supreme Court alone, had Hillary carried the day, they'd be up 6-3 by now. The sheer tear inducing desperation must be overwhelming. And it shows in the media coverage, the streets and the floor of the Congress. The naked rage, silly accusations are but a symptom of that.
 

Frankfooter

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Just think why the Dems are so upset. On the Supreme Court alone, had Hillary carried the day, they'd be up 6-3 by now. The sheer tear inducing desperation must be overwhelming. And it shows in the media coverage, the streets and the floor of the Congress. The naked rage, silly accusations are but a symptom of that.
Scientific America has a great article on the US economy.
It really details that the system that allowed Trump to get rich on the backs of the average American is fucked and the way to fix it is to get rid of the plutarchs and change the tax laws.
Its worth a read.

The American Economy Is Rigged
And what we can do about it
 

Butler1000

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Frankfooter

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You think the Dems will change it?

Check the millionaire lists in Congress.
Likely they won't, but they won't keep making it much, much worse the way Trump is.
And there is the very, very slim chance that the Bernie crowd can change the dems and they actually do something.
Not likely, but way better then Trump who is really fucking the system over for everyone but the very, very rich.
 

Butler1000

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Likely they won't, but they won't keep making it much, much worse the way Trump is.
And there is the very, very slim chance that the Bernie crowd can change the dems and they actually do something.
Not likely, but way better then Trump who is really fucking the system over for everyone but the very, very rich.
A third party needs to rise. That only occurs when the public is sick of both of them.

Then Dems voted for the military increase and to gut the Walk St restrictions. They are just as bad.

If the Dems don't take the house the process if defection will accelerate.
 

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The answer at this point to your question seems to be no.


Even the article states (at the end, I read it all) that every assumption is just that, pure speculation without any substantive proof.

But I suppose they have to go back and rehash for content as they don't have anything new.
The answer is not “No”. The answer is that there was suspicious activity involving Trump’s server that warrants further investigation. One assumes that this is part of Mueller’s investigation; at this point we cannot draw any further conclusions.
 
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