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Jailed Pastor: Prison in Turkey Like "Living in a Mosque"

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Reminds me of "Midnight express" an older movie of an American that goes to jail in Turkey for drugs. If you didn't see it its a must see. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077928/
LOL Erdogan bowed to Trump releasing this pastor.

Andrew Brunson, the American pastor who was detained in Turkey for two years before his release on Friday, told ABC News on Tuesday that his incarceration in a Turkish prison was like “living in a mosque” due to his isolation by religion from other prisoners, who were all Muslim and accused of “terrorism” as sympathizers of the faith-based Gülen movement.

After being kept in solitary confinement for a number days, he was put in a cell meant for eight people along with more than 20 other prisoners. “I was very isolated, both by language and by culture, nationality, and also by religion. All the people I was with were very strong Muslims, they were all arrested as Muslim terrorists, as part of the Gülenist movement, and so it was like living in a mosque in many ways,” Brunson told George Stephanopoulos on “Good Morning America” on Tuesday.

“At this point I’m one of the most hated men in Turkey, probably,” Brunson also said, because of the Turkish government’s allegations that he committed espionage and was linked to terrorism, adding that he grew increasingly concerned about his physical safety given the accusations against him.

Brunson, 50, was a Christian evangelist in Turkey for 23 years before he was arrested in October 2016 and accused by the Turkish government of espionage and ties to terrorist groups. He and the US denied those charges.

“Our purpose in going to Turkey was to tell people about Jesus Christ. We did that very openly, and we were never involved in anything political,” Brunson told Stephanopoulos. He said he and his wife were shocked by their arrest, which was initially for deportation and subsequently for posing a “threat to national security.”

Prior to his release over the weekend, Brunson’s case had created a deep rift in US-Turkish relations, with the Trump administration heavily committed to securing his freedom and punishing its NATO ally with economic penalties for not doing so. An evangelical Christian pastor, he had also become a rallying cry for religious freedom advocates in the US.

The Turkish court sentenced him Friday to three years, one-and-a-half months, but given his time served and the fact that it was his first arrest, his house arrest and travel ban were lifted. He was flown out of the country that Friday on a US military aircraft, stopping in Germany for a medical evaluation before landing in Washington on Saturday. There, he met with President Trump in an Oval Office welcome celebration.

“The way I survived that was by just spending hours in prayer, just to keep my sanity,” Brunson said of his two-year detention in Turkey

After their 23 years in the country, “working… in obscurity,” he said he and his family still love Turkey.

https://www.turkishminute.com/2018/...ays-prison-in-turkey-like-living-in-a-mosque/
 

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Brunson has my sympathies. But any outsider imprisoned in the US, Canada or the West would be similarly freaked out and isolated.

I am certainly glad that he escaped any violence. Violence is an inextricable part of the prison experience everywhere IM 2nd hand experience.
 

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Brunson has my sympathies. But any outsider imprisoned in the US, Canada or the West would be similarly freaked out and isolated.

I am certainly glad that he escaped any violence. Violence is an inextricable part of the prison experience everywhere IM 2nd hand experience.
See? You'll make excuses for these countries all the time no matter what.

There is no way in hell that I would go to jail in one of those countries over a Canadian or US one. No way...and nobody else here ..you're out of touch.
 

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See? You'll make excuses for these countries all the time no matter what.

There is no way in hell that I would go to jail in one of those countries over a Canadian or US one. No way...and nobody else here ..you're out of touch.

You've never been in a Canadian or US jail. You have no idea how easy it is to get badly hurt there.

And I'm happy to agree that Brunson was railroaded as a pressure play by Erdogan to get Trump to exchange a political opponent of Erdogan's living in the US. I don't think Erdogan did that because he's a Muslim - which is always your obsessive fixation. I think Erdogan did that because he's a ruthless, megalomaniac dictator. Just like Putin. Or Dutarte.

I'm not seeing any mistreatment of Brunson in jail - could be because he was a high profile American political prisoner and Erdogan didn't want anything to happen to him that would be embarrassing.

You're obsessed with the idea that I apologize for Muslim terrorists. What would make you happy?..... That I parade around posting 50 anti Muslim threads a day like you saying all Muslims are evil??
 

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You've never been in a Canadian or US jail. You have no idea how easy it is to get badly hurt there.

And I'm happy to agree that Brunson was railroaded as a pressure play by Erdogan to get Trump to exchange a political opponent of Erdogan's living in the US. I don't think Erdogan did that because he's a Muslim - which is always your obsessive fixation. I think Erdogan did that because he's a ruthless, megalomaniac dictator. Just like Putin. Or Dutarte.

I'm not seeing any mistreatment of Brunson in jail - could be because he was a high profile American political prisoner and Erdogan didn't want anything to happen to him that would be embarrassing.

You're obsessed with the idea that I apologize for Muslim terrorists. What would make you happy?..... That I parade around posting 50 anti Muslim threads a day like you saying all Muslims are evil??
Well here you go again, you're trying to minimize jails from those countries. Canadian jails are nothing compared to Turkish or Iranian jails, Mexican jails are probably better than Turkish jails.
 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO9WS6Bo-VU

William Hayes is now 71.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b5s0WBI8ug

Even back in the days of secular Turkey -- Turkey considered all foreign women who married Turks to have renounced their nationality and to have become Turks.

Back in a different lifetime, as an undergraduate I was interested in a career in the Diplomatic Service, one of my University friends was dating a Turkish foreign student. In the wake of this movie, I had a bit of a worry that my first posting would be to Turkey where I'd find that this woman had now been thrown into a Turkish prison, and as far as the Turks were concerned she was now a Turk and only a Turk.
 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO9WS6Bo-VU

William Hayes is now 71.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b5s0WBI8ug

Even back in the days of secular Turkey -- Turkey considered all foreign women who married Turks to have renounced their nationality and to have become Turks.

Back in a different lifetime, as an undergraduate I was interested in a career in the Diplomatic Service, one of my University friends was dating a Turkish foreign student. In the wake of this movie, I had a bit of a worry that my first posting would be to Turkey where I'd find that this woman had now been thrown into a Turkish prison, and as far as the Turks were concerned she was now a Turk and only a Turk.
The Sultanahmet and the Bazar are beautiful. But it was scary. I wouldn't go there now.
 

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Well here you go again, you're trying to minimize jails from those countries. Canadian jails are nothing compared to Turkish or Iranian jails, Mexican jails are probably better than Turkish jails.

On what facts do you base this?

And if Turkish jails were that bad - i.e. food shortages, unheated, unsanitary (all of which US and probably Canadian jails have been) - it would seem that Brunson got preferential treatment, again because he was considered a valuable hostage perhaps.
 
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