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Trump Bows to Saudi Executioners

danmand

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Trump Bows to Saudi Executioners

by Stephen Lendman (stephenlendman.org – Home – Stephen Lendman)

Imperial logic goes something like this. Self-defense by Syria, other nations the US attacks aggressively, and Palestinian resistance against occupation harshness are considered unlawful behavior.

High crimes of war and against humanity, imperial coups, support for terrorist groups, and political assassinations are OK when committed by the West and its allies.

Saudi Arabia is the Arab world’s most ruthless dictatorship, its leading state sponsor of terrorism, supporting ISIS, al-Qaeda, and similar groups.

Its despotic crime family owns and runs most of the Arabian peninsula, masquerading as a legitimate nation.

Wahhabism practiced in the kingdom is the most extreme form of Islam, calling Shias and other non-Wahhabis “infidels,” encouraging intolerance, and supporting terrorism.

Public beheadings, whippings, assassinations, intolerance of dissent, and other grievous human rights abuses are longstanding practice.

Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) is no political reformer – just the opposite. It’s inconceivable to believe his dirty hands weren’t all over the disappearance and elimination of Jamal Khashoggi.

Trump and regime hardliners want nothing interfering with dirty business as usual US/Saudi relations.

On Tuesday, DLT defended the kingdom saying: “Here we go again with you’re guilty until proven innocent.”

Pompeo raced to Riyadh to schmooze with king Salman, MBS and other Saudi officials. Photo ops showed smiles and handshakes, indicating no change in the bilateral relationship.

Trump tweeted the following: “Just spoke with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia who totally denied any knowledge of what took place in their Turkish Consulate. He was with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo…”

“…during the call, and told me that he has already started, and will rapidly expand, a full and complete investigation into this matter. Answers will be forthcoming shortly.”

On Monday, DLT suggested “rogue killers” may be responsible for Khashoggi’s fate, meaning elements other than top Saudi ruling family members.

He and Pompeo stressed how Saudi leaders claimed no knowledge about or involvement in what happened to him, clearly untrue.

Weeks earlier, the kingdom promised to donate $100 million on the phony pretext of stabilizing Syrian territory liberated from ISIS – supported by the ruling regimes of both countries, allied in years of war to topple Assad.

The money has nothing to do with wanting parts of Syria stabilized, everything to do with wanting accusations against the kingdom for the Khashoggi incident ended.

The funds showed up in Washington the same day Pompeo arrived in Riyadh to smooth over bilateral relations.

A State Department readout of his meetings said he “thank(ed)” king Salman for the kingdom’s “strong partnership” with the US, along with “his commitment to supporting a thorough, transparent and timely investigation.”

According to Turkish authorities, one Saudi suspect involved in disappearing and eliminating Khashoggi inside the kingdom’s Istanbul consulate is a close MBS companion.

Another is a forensic doctor/senior Saudi interior ministry official, three others part of MBS’ security detail.

On Wednesday, Turkey’s Hurriyet Daily News reported the following:

Khashoggi was “decapitated (in the Istanbul consulate) after (his) fingers (were) cut off,” brutally executing him, his body dismembered – overseen by “Saudi forensics expert Salah Muhammad al-Tubaigy.”

Key members of the 15-member Saudi hit squad dispatched to Istanbul on the day Khashoggi entered its consulate are closely allied with MBS, almost certainly acting on his direct orders.

Iraqi cleric Muqtada al-Sadr accused Trump of feigning concern over Khashoggi’s fate, calling him a “pharaoh” and a “tyrant” unconcerned about horrendous human rights abuses.

Saudi lobbyists in Washington are trying to sweep the Khashoggi incident under the rug, the Trump regime acting the same way.

Ignored in the furor over what happened to the Saudi journalist is ongoing kingdom involvement in US regional wars, notably in Syria and Yemen.

Khashoggi’s elimination pales in comparison to the rape and destruction of both countries, forever wars raging, the highest of high crimes committed against their people unaccountably.

These and other US-led wars of aggression matter most, largely ignored in Western media reports about Khashoggi and the kingdom, focusing attention on the fate of one man, away from imperial lawlessness, including US, NATO, Israeli, Saudi support for ISIS and other terrorist groups.

There’s little doubt about Saudi responsibility for Khashoggi’s fate. It’s clear where things are heading.

The current storm will pass once it fades from world headlines. US/Western relations with Riyadh remain solid.
 

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I don't claim to know exactly what happened here, but maybe Trump hasn't been provided with persuasive evidence that the Saudi government did this? If there was such evidence, and the intelligence agents in possession of it thought Trump was lying to the press/public, what would you put the odds at that such clever intelligence agents wouldn't leak that evidence to the press? I would put the odds at zero.

Seems to me that the investigation must still be ongoing.
 

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There was only one President that ever bowed to a Saudi.
 
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I don't claim to know exactly what happened here, but maybe Trump hasn't been provided with persuasive evidence that the Saudi government did this? If there was such evidence, and the intelligence agents in possession of it thought Trump was lying to the press/public, what would you put the odds at that such clever intelligence agents wouldn't leak that evidence to the press? I would put the odds at zero.

Seems to me that the investigation must still be ongoing.
"has/hasn't"

"would/wouldn't"


Now where have we heard this interchangeable drivel before?
 

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Ah Brother Jonathan. If only the world were so simple that the only thing to take into consideration is morality.

However, the truth is that the world is filled with devils. Big devils and little devils, their devils and our devils. Further many times we aren't angels ourselves.
 

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"has/hasn't"

"would/wouldn't"


Now where have we heard this interchangeable drivel before?
Huh? Your post is completely incomprehensible.

Maybe you read my post too quickly. Let me break it down for you:

"hasn't been provided" - correct usage
"would you put the odds at" - correct usage
"wouldn't leak that evidence" - correct usage

(Have you truly never heard of a negative betting proposition?)

So, unlike the Trump statement you are referring to, I won't be posting a correction.

Does that help? Or does it really just come down to that you didn't like wrestling with the logic of the post, rather than how it was expressed?
 

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I don't claim to know exactly what happened here, but maybe Trump hasn't been provided with persuasive evidence that the Saudi government did this? If there was such evidence, and the intelligence agents in possession of it thought Trump was lying to the press/public, what would you put the odds at that such clever intelligence agents wouldn't leak that evidence to the press? I would put the odds at zero.

Seems to me that the investigation must still be ongoing.
Sure, until Trump hears the audio, sees the video, checks the bone saw and the bits of the body now cut up, there's really no convincing evidence.
 

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I don't claim to know exactly what happened here, but maybe Trump hasn't been provided with persuasive evidence that the Saudi government did this? If there was such evidence, and the intelligence agents in possession of it thought Trump was lying to the press/public, what would you put the odds at that such clever intelligence agents wouldn't leak that evidence to the press? I would put the odds at zero.

Seems to me that the investigation must still be ongoing.
Khashoggi walked into the Saudi embassy. He did not walk out. Where is he? Do you really think US intelligence does not know what happened?
 

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Khashoggi walked into the Saudi embassy. He did not walk out. Where is he? Do you really think US intelligence does not know what happened?
I'm pretty sure they know he was killed, and how he was killed. I'm not sure whether they know exactly who did it, and on whose orders. I think they are still investigating.
 

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I don't claim to know exactly what happened here, but maybe Trump hasn't been provided with persuasive evidence that the Saudi government did this? If there was such evidence, and the intelligence agents in possession of it thought Trump was lying to the press/public, what would you put the odds at that such clever intelligence agents wouldn't leak that evidence to the press? I would put the odds at zero.

Seems to me that the investigation must still be ongoing.
And just as you suggest, the leaks already outnumber the small fingers trying to 'plug' them.

Don't take that personally.
 

toguy5252

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I'm pretty sure they know he was killed, and how he was killed. I'm not sure whether they know exactly who did it, and on whose orders. I think they are still investigating.
The only thing they are investigating is how Trump can keep from alienating his Saudi friends by deflecting and diverting from what he knows really happened. Fortunately he has you and Butler fro an audience.
 

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And just as you suggest, the leaks already outnumber the small fingers trying to 'plug' them.

Don't take that personally.
I didn't, until you told me not to! LOL!

Don't take this personally, but even CNN acknowledges that the investigation is ongoing, and that while the Turks (not sure why we should trust them to investigate properly, all of a sudden) acknowledge that the murder and dismemberment took place in the Saudi consulate, they have yet to report evidence from their inspection of the consulate that confirms their position. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/17/middleeast/trump-saudi-khashoggi-intl/index.html So far, I don't see anyone engaged in a cover up, except whoever it was that murdered Khashoggi, and I don't think Trump or his administration are suspected of that.

One interesting and yet to be fully explained aspect of the story is Khashoggi's reason for entering the Consulate. It is reported that we went there because he needed papers to marry his Turkish fiancee. He "fled" Saudi Arabia in 2017 and wrote articles subsequently that were sharply critical of MBS. How could he expect Saudi cooperation with some paperwork to help him marry? Something doesn't add up there.

If the the Turks say that they didn't find any physical evidence of the murder taking place at the Consulate, then I think the investigation will have to take another tack. It makes sense that Trump would avoid passing sentence on anyone just yet (this time, he's actually doing the right thing for the investigation and for foreign relations).
 

danmand

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Ah Brother Jonathan. If only the world were so simple that the only thing to take into consideration is morality.

However, the truth is that the world is filled with devils. Big devils and little devils, their devils and our devils. Further many times we aren't angels ourselves.
You conveniently forget to point out that USA is actively supporting the majority of them.

You never saw a brutal right wing dictator you did not like.
 

mandrill

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Ah Brother Jonathan. If only the world were so simple that the only thing to take into consideration is morality.

However, the truth is that the world is filled with devils. Big devils and little devils, their devils and our devils. Further many times we aren't angels ourselves.

What if the next journalist Mo tortures to death was Dutch, or Belgian or Canadian? - From a middle sized country that is a stalwart ally of the USA? What does Trump do then?

IIRC, Khashoggi has American kids and writes for the WaPo. That's about as American as you can get without being an American. If Mo killed an American would Trump do shit? Would it make a difference if the American was a "real American", blue-eyed, blond-haired, born in Texas? Or if he was a green card holding Arab?

In fact, wasn't Khashoggi a "green card holding Arab"? Doesn't that count as being American enough?

We know Prince Mo is going to keep killing. He likes killing people and he knows Trump is a weak, snivelling, greedy, fat old man. So Mo will kill and kill and wave it in Trump's face and laugh at him.
 

mandrill

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You conveniently forget to point out that USA is actively supporting the majority of them.

You never saw a brutal right wing dictator you did not like.

Let's be honest. The US has invaded and killed Latin American dictators for shit like this whenever it decided they were inconvenient. Remember Noriega? Killed journalists. Was a bad dude. Wouldn't extend the lease for the Panama Canal. Got invaded by the US. Why doesn't the US do the same with Prince Mo? Because Trump makes $$$ out of business deals with a killer?

Why did the CIA arrange for Allende to be killed? He didn't do the sort of shit Prince Mo does.
 

danmand

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Let's be honest. The US has invaded and killed Latin American dictators for shit like this whenever it decided they were inconvenient. Remember Noriega? Killed journalists. Was a bad dude. Wouldn't extend the lease for the Panama Canal. Got invaded by the US. Why doesn't the US do the same with Prince Mo? Because Trump makes $$$ out of business deals with a killer?

Why did the CIA arrange for Allende to be killed? He didn't do the sort of shit Prince Mo does.
Yes, I do remember Noriega. He was USA' s man in Panama until he became disposable.
 

mandrill

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Yes, I do remember Noriega. He was USA' s man in Panama until he became disposable.

He didn't do what he was told. So he was dealt with.

Prince Mo still cuts deals with the USA and makes them money. So he is still "our boy".
 
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