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The federal budget deficit is soaring, and you can blame it all on Republican tax cut

bver_hunter

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Don't believe Trump team misdirection. We're piling up debt during good economic times, and it's all because of last year's Republican tax cuts.

It wasn’t said directly, of course, but the U.S. Treasury officially reported something Monday that, depending on your political party of choice, you’ve either long suspected would happen or refused to admit was possible: Last year’s big tax cut bill significantly increased the federal budget deficit.

According to the Monthly Treasury Statement for fiscal 2018, the year that just ended Sept. 30, the deficit was $779 billion — a $113 billion, 17 percent increase over the$666 billion deficit recorded last year.

This was the biggest one-year increase in the deficit since 2009, when the Great Recession wreaked havoc on federal finances. At 3.9 percent, it was the largest deficit compared with gross domestic product since 2013.

The bottom line 2018 deficit number is significant because it occurred during good economic times, when the federal deficit typically falls rather than spikes. But that's not the most important story. A simple analysis of what Treasury reported shows that virtually the entire deficit increase was because the tax cut enacted in December reduced revenues substantially.


GOP tax cuts are expanding the deficit

Treasury said revenues grew from 2017 to 2018 by slightly less than $14 billion. Given the federal government’s overall $113 billion deficit increase, you might assume that the deficit rose because spending was $127 billion higher.

Overall federal outlays did increase by $127 billion compared with what was actually spent in 2017, but that’s the wrong comparison. The right comparison is the total tax revenue the government would have collected under the old tax law versus the new one.

The Congressional Budget Office estimated fiscal 2018 revenue would be $3.5 trillion under the laws that were in place before President Donald Trump signed the GOP tax cut bill. The actual amount Treasury reported Monday was $202 billion less. That $202 billion would have more than covered the $127 billion in extra spending in 2018.

This comparison, to tax revenues that were expected had the laws stayed the same, unambiguously shows that virtually all of the federal deficit increase that occurred from 2017 to 2018 was because of the new cuts in corporate and individual taxes. Had the tax changes not been enacted, the federal deficit in 2018 would have dropped to well below $600 billion, rather than rising to close to $800 billion.

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Four things about this are most troubling. First, both Treasury and CBO expect the deficit to keep spiking. Compared with the CBO pre-tax bill baseline, 2019 revenues will be $263 billion below what they would have been if rates had stayed the same. Treasury’s projected 2019 deficit would be just above $800 billion rather than close to $1.1 trillion.

Second, not content with how much they’ve already increased the deficit, Congress and the White House are seriously considering passing another big tax cut during the lame duck session after the midterms. That will increase it even more.

The House passed this bill just before it recessed for the midterm elections, and the scuttlebutt I hear from budget insiders is that Republican leaders are seriously considering misusing the congressional budget process so no one may filibuster the next deficit increase. In its current form, this new tax bill will reduce revenues by another $630 billion over the next 10 years.

Third, unlike the recession-caused trillion dollar federal deficits of the Obama years that fell precipitously when the economy improved, these deficits are the result of permanent changes in federal revenues caused by the tax law. Not only does this put the constantly promised-but-never-achieved goal of balancing the federal budget in 10 years out of reach, it makes even the projection of a balanced budget into the political equivalent of a practical joke or a hoax.

And fourth, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney are either in denial about these numbers or think no one notices when they say high spending rather than low revenue is why the deficit is rising so precipitously.

Mnuchin and Mulvaney should be ashamed

Last week, Mnuchin said it was the Democrats’ demand for more spending on health care and education that was the sole reason the deficit was increasing.

Shortly after Treasury released its report, Mulvaney said the deficit was due to “irresponsible and unnecessary spending.” He didn’t mention the tax cuts at all.

Mnuchin and Mulvaney should both be embarrassed by these obvious attempts at budget misdirection, but Mnuchin should be especially ashamed. It is Treasury, the department he leads with a staff that reports to him, that has exposed the tax law as the real reason the federal deficit is increasing so steeply.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...s-soaring-federal-deficits-column/1657338002/

King of Debt Trump has done what he is good at........Debt and more Debt. He has called himself the King of Debt. We all agree!!
 

toguy5252

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Don't believe Trump team misdirection. We're piling up debt during good economic times, and it's all because of last year's Republican tax cuts.

It wasn’t said directly, of course, but the U.S. Treasury officially reported something Monday that, depending on your political party of choice, you’ve either long suspected would happen or refused to admit was possible: Last year’s big tax cut bill significantly increased the federal budget deficit.

According to the Monthly Treasury Statement for fiscal 2018, the year that just ended Sept. 30, the deficit was $779 billion — a $113 billion, 17 percent increase over the$666 billion deficit recorded last year.

This was the biggest one-year increase in the deficit since 2009, when the Great Recession wreaked havoc on federal finances. At 3.9 percent, it was the largest deficit compared with gross domestic product since 2013.

The bottom line 2018 deficit number is significant because it occurred during good economic times, when the federal deficit typically falls rather than spikes. But that's not the most important story. A simple analysis of what Treasury reported shows that virtually the entire deficit increase was because the tax cut enacted in December reduced revenues substantially.


GOP tax cuts are expanding the deficit

Treasury said revenues grew from 2017 to 2018 by slightly less than $14 billion. Given the federal government’s overall $113 billion deficit increase, you might assume that the deficit rose because spending was $127 billion higher.

Overall federal outlays did increase by $127 billion compared with what was actually spent in 2017, but that’s the wrong comparison. The right comparison is the total tax revenue the government would have collected under the old tax law versus the new one.

The Congressional Budget Office estimated fiscal 2018 revenue would be $3.5 trillion under the laws that were in place before President Donald Trump signed the GOP tax cut bill. The actual amount Treasury reported Monday was $202 billion less. That $202 billion would have more than covered the $127 billion in extra spending in 2018.

This comparison, to tax revenues that were expected had the laws stayed the same, unambiguously shows that virtually all of the federal deficit increase that occurred from 2017 to 2018 was because of the new cuts in corporate and individual taxes. Had the tax changes not been enacted, the federal deficit in 2018 would have dropped to well below $600 billion, rather than rising to close to $800 billion.

More: Trump trillion-dollar-plus deficits are putting America on a path to fiscal ruin

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Four things about this are most troubling. First, both Treasury and CBO expect the deficit to keep spiking. Compared with the CBO pre-tax bill baseline, 2019 revenues will be $263 billion below what they would have been if rates had stayed the same. Treasury’s projected 2019 deficit would be just above $800 billion rather than close to $1.1 trillion.

Second, not content with how much they’ve already increased the deficit, Congress and the White House are seriously considering passing another big tax cut during the lame duck session after the midterms. That will increase it even more.

The House passed this bill just before it recessed for the midterm elections, and the scuttlebutt I hear from budget insiders is that Republican leaders are seriously considering misusing the congressional budget process so no one may filibuster the next deficit increase. In its current form, this new tax bill will reduce revenues by another $630 billion over the next 10 years.

Third, unlike the recession-caused trillion dollar federal deficits of the Obama years that fell precipitously when the economy improved, these deficits are the result of permanent changes in federal revenues caused by the tax law. Not only does this put the constantly promised-but-never-achieved goal of balancing the federal budget in 10 years out of reach, it makes even the projection of a balanced budget into the political equivalent of a practical joke or a hoax.

And fourth, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney are either in denial about these numbers or think no one notices when they say high spending rather than low revenue is why the deficit is rising so precipitously.

Mnuchin and Mulvaney should be ashamed

Last week, Mnuchin said it was the Democrats’ demand for more spending on health care and education that was the sole reason the deficit was increasing.

Shortly after Treasury released its report, Mulvaney said the deficit was due to “irresponsible and unnecessary spending.” He didn’t mention the tax cuts at all.

Mnuchin and Mulvaney should both be embarrassed by these obvious attempts at budget misdirection, but Mnuchin should be especially ashamed. It is Treasury, the department he leads with a staff that reports to him, that has exposed the tax law as the real reason the federal deficit is increasing so steeply.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...s-soaring-federal-deficits-column/1657338002/

King of Debt Trump has done what he is good at........Debt and more Debt. He has called himself the King of Debt. We all agree!!
Well thank goodness they are not going to cut Medicaid or Medicare or social programs to pay for the debt.

Oh wait a second.

Ryan says Republicans to target welfare, Medicare, Medicaid spending in 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ecurity/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.14d54e1c8ecc
 

toguy5252

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His own base who like and benefit from the Medicaid and Medicare undoubtedly are the ones that will pay the price.
Not to worry. The dumbest most gullible cohort in the world will believe it is in their interest to cut their benefits for tax breaks which they did not see. Butler and the other Trumpanistas should be checking in any time.
 

bver_hunter

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Not to worry. The dumbest most gullible cohort in the world will believe it is in their interest to cut their benefits for tax breaks which they did not see. Butler and the other Trumpanistas should be checking in any time.
But, But, But, But, Butler says he is a Bernie Sanders supporter.
 

bver_hunter

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He meant Bernie Maddof.

Trump would have called Bernie Madoff a "great guy" and a "very fine gentlemen". He then would have got a top job in the Whitehouse. So then now I understand why he supports Bernie Madoff. LOL!!
 

bver_hunter

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The deficit is rising, so Republicans want to cut Social Security and Medicare:

The GOP agenda is cutting corporate taxes while also cutting government benefits.
Republicans have removed all doubt: When it comes to the federal deficit, the problem is Medicare and Social Security — not their own tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy.

Fresh off the news that the deficit is increasing under President Donald Trump, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told Bloomberg News that Congress should target Social Security and Medicare for cuts to address the growing federal debt.

The federal deficit grew by nearly $800 billion over the first fiscal year of Trump’s presidency, during which the Republican Congress passed a tax cut targeted mostly to corporations and the wealthy, which is projected to add more than $1 trillion to the deficit over the next 10 years.

The White House and GOP leaders promised that despite all projections to the contrary, the tax cuts would pay for themselves. That hasn’t materialized so far.
But, of course, a growing federal deficit hasn’t caused Republican leaders to reconsider their tax policy. Instead, they argue that entitlement reform — Republican-speak for cuts to popular social safety net programs — is what’s really needed to address the federal deficit.

From McConnell’s interview with Bloomberg this week:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell blamed rising federal deficits and debt on a bipartisan unwillingness to contain spending on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, and said he sees little chance of a major deficit reduction deal while Republicans control Congress and the White House.

“It’s disappointing, but it’s not a Republican problem,” McConnell said Tuesday in an interview with Bloomberg News when asked about the rising deficits and debt. “It’s a bipartisan problem: unwillingness to address the real drivers of the debt by doing anything to adjust those programs to the demographics of America in the future.”
Republicans were actually signaling during the tax debate, before the bill ever passed, that this was their strategy: pass a deficit-exploding tax cut and then argue that the real problem is federal spending on health and retirement benefits.
It is true that those programs make up a large share of federal spending: Medicare was 15 percent of the federal budget in 2017, and it’s projected to grow to 18 percent by 2028. Social Security is a bigger chunk of the budget (24 percent in 2016), and it is on a similar trajectory. An aging population will put a strain on the program like it hasn’t seen before.
But on the other hand, Social Security benefits in particular are not exactly robust — the average check is just $1,300 a month — and we know that the program plays a big role in helping American seniors stay out of poverty. Social Security kept 27 million people out of poverty in 2017, as Vox’s Alexia Fernández Campbell reported last month.

But the GOP’s priorities on the deficit are clear: Corporate taxes were too high, and now that they’ve been cut, government benefits are too generous, so they must be cut too. The trade is explicit.

Governing is about priorities. Democrats have run on expanding Social Security benefits and extending Medicare coverage to every American. They’re proposing higher taxes on the wealthy and on corporations to pay for those plans. Republicans are going hard in the other direction: lower taxes for businesses, fewer benefits for vulnerable Americans.

However, McConnell made an important concession in his Bloomberg interview: Without bipartisan buy-in, entitlement reform is unlikely. President George W. Bush invited political backlash and electoral defeat in the 2000s when he pushed for a Social Security overhaul. In 2018, even with the deficit rising again, it seems Republicans aren’t interested in trekking out on their own on entitlement reform. The political risk may be too great.

“I think it’s pretty safe to say that entitlement changes, which is the real driver of the debt by any objective standard, may well be difficult if not impossible to achieve when you have unified government,” McConnell told Bloomberg.

But make no mistake about the long-term agenda: Now that Republicans have cut corporate taxes, they stand ready and willing to cut Medicare and Social Security.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...eficit-social-security-medicare-2018-midterms
 

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Every Western Country and most of the planet is broke and can not meet their existing obligations let alone it's future obligations. It's called fiat money + usury. All fiat currencies will fail and collapse. This has been proven over 700 times in History. Thousands of years of History is NOT Trump's fault.
 

toguy5252

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Every Western Country and most of the planet is broke and can not meet their existing obligations let alone it's future obligations. It's called fiat money + usury. All fiat currencies will fail and collapse. This has been proven over 700 times in History. Thousands of years of History is NOT Trump's fault.
So far this has my vote for the dumbest post of the year. Is it too early to vote?
 

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Standard conservative playbook, used by all conservatibe governments in all countries:

1. Increase deficit by giving tax cuts to the rich, plus for good measure increase military spending.

2. Cut spending on social programs to cut the deficit.

Elementary, watson.
 

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Standard conservative playbook, used by all conservatibe governments in all countries:

1. Increase deficit by giving tax cuts to the rich, plus for good measure increase military spending.

2. Cut spending on social programs to cut the deficit.

Elementary, watson.
3. Turn over penniless government to the other side.

4. Harangue and harass them for raising the money to stay afloat

5. Once things are vaguely back in the black, Rinse, Repeat.
 

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Meanwhile in Trudeau's Canada, we have BOTH high deficits and high taxes.
 

jcpro

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Hold on there a second. The revenu is slated to come in at 3.4 trillion( highest ever) for 2019. I'd say there is a spending problem.
 

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But...But...I thought the tax cuts were gonna pay for themselves?????
 

oldjones

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But...But...I thought the tax cuts were gonna pay for themselves?????
Not quite. No one was ever gonna pay for them according to the Budget; it was all gonna be financed by credit, like Donny's other bankruptcies. Of course at some point they no one keep writing up the books that fast and the bills have to be paid. That was a problem for Trump's suppliers and contractors, not him.

In political terms, it'll be a problem for the next Democratic Administration and Congress. Like getting out of the Great Depression after Hoover and Co. and out of this recent Great Recession after the the Bushes.
 

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Meanwhile in Trudeau's Canada, we have BOTH high deficits and high taxes.
At least Trudeau is using the cash to stimulate the economy, as opposed to just handing it to the incredibly rich.
Deficits during economic good times are of course stupid policy.
 

toguy5252

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Hold on there a second. The revenu is slated to come in at 3.4 trillion( highest ever) for 2019. I'd say there is a spending problem.
Not sure where you are getting your info but for the period January to August which I think is most recent revenue is down in real terms and more in nominal terms. If you look at earlier periods and do not adjust for inflation revenue is up slightly.
 
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