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25 Ward Election: Did Doug Ford Sucker Punch Himself?

Anbarandy

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1) Toronto City Council has had a conservative majority since the Rob Ford years. It has seated a 24 conservative - 13 progressive - 7 centrists - 1 Mayor majority during the John Tory years.

2) Under the previously approved 47 seat model the conservatives most likely would still have had a majority of 24 - 15 - 8 - 1.

3) Enter the Sucker Punch Despot Dog Ford and his aching for revenge loins 25 ward edict and the balance of power on city council may most likely shift away from a vast conservative majority to a slight progressive leaning council with the balance of power laying in 4 different ward races outcomes and 3 centrist councilors.


How so?

a) 5 progressive incumbents are running in wards unopposed by another incumbent while the same can only be said of 3 conservative incumbents.

b) 6 conservative incumbents are running in wards against 6 conservative incumbents running in the same wards while the same can only be of 2 progressive incumbents.

c) 2 wards are open with no incumbents. 1 ward is solid progressive while the other leans conservative.

d) 3 wards feature centrist incumbents candidates running unopposed by other incumbents.


All the above, if history be our guide, has the results of: 8 progressive - 10 cons - 3 centrists.

Which leaves us with the key ward races that may decide the balance of power on council for the next 4 years:

1) Perruza vs Mammoliti; Augimeri vs. Pasternak; Wong-Tam vs Triosi; Colle vs Carmichael-Greb

2) The above most likely would be 3 progressive and 1 conservative win


Which brings us to the following total results:

City of Toronto Council will seat: 11 progressives - 11 conservatives - 3 centrists - 1 Mayor


Which is hardly the outcome that Doug Ford's Sucker Punch was intended to effect, from a solid conservative majority to basically a pick-em game, and to which will effect more Godzilla-like city destroying tactics by the despot-in-chief.
 

Bud Plug

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1) Toronto City Council has had a conservative majority since the Rob Ford years. It has seated a 25 conservative - 13 progressive - 7 centrist majority during the John Tory years.

2) Under the previously approved 47 seat model the conservatives most likely would still have had a majority of 25 - 16 - 7.

3) Enter the Sucker Punch Despot Dog Ford and his aching for revenge loins 25 ward edict and the balance of power on city council may most likely shift away from a vast conservative majority to a slight progressive leaning council with the balance of power laying in 4 different ward races outcomes and 3 centrist councilors.


How so?

a) 5 progressive incumbents are running in wards unopposed by another incumbent while the same can only be said of 3 conservative incumbents.

b) 6 conservative incumbents are running in wards against 6 conservative incumbents running in the same wards while the same can only be of 2 progressive incumbents.

c) 2 wards are open with no incumbents. 1 ward is solid progressive while the other leans conservative.

d) 3 wards feature centrist incumbents candidates running unopposed by other incumbents.


All the above, if history be our guide, has the results of: 8 progressive - 10 cons - 3 centrists.

Which leaves us with the key ward races that may decide the balance of power on council for the next 4 years:

1) Perruza vs Mammoliti; Augimeri vs. Pasternak; Wong-Tam vs Triosi; Colle vs Carmichael-Greb

2) The above most likely would be 3 progressive and 1 conservative win


Which brings us to the following total results:

City of Toronto Council will seat: 11 progressives - 11 conservatives - 3 centrists - 1 Mayor


Which is hardly the outcome that Doug Ford's Sucker Punch was intended to effect and to which will effect more Godzilla city destroying tactics by the despot-in-chief.
So, is it your theory that the provincial conservatives (not just Doug Ford) never analyzed the likely political composition of a 25 seat council? Since the new wards are identical to the provincial and federal ridings, wouldn't they only have to look at how those ridings voted? I find the proposition that this was never considered to be EXTREMELY unlikely.

Let's assume you are right about the previous left/right balance of council, and your anticipated balance in the new council. Doesn't that mean that the reasons for reforming Council probably didn't have anything to do with who would be elected, but had everything to do with the efficiency of the SYSTEM of governance? Looks that way to me (if you're right).
 

Anbarandy

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So, is it your theory that the provincial conservatives (not just Doug Ford) never analyzed the likely political composition of a 25 seat council? Since the new wards are identical to the provincial and federal ridings, wouldn't they only have to look at how those ridings voted? I find the proposition that this was never considered to be EXTREMELY unlikely.

Let's assume you are right about the previous left/right balance of council, and your anticipated balance in the new council. Doesn't that mean that the reasons for reforming Council probably didn't have anything to do with who would be elected, but had everything to do with the efficiency of the SYSTEM of governance? Looks that way to me (if you're right).
Don't make me laugh. Do you really believe any cabinet member really gave two shits about the ramifications of Sucker Punch Doug's vendetta. This is reinforced by the fact that if they actually did any analysis of the provincial ridings in Toronto, they would have clearly noted that 11 NDP and 3 Liberal MPPs were elected to the Provincial legislature.

The make up of Federal MPs from Toronto is even worse. 20 Liberal and NDP members vs. just 5 Conservative members of Parliament.

A clear majority of progressive MPs and MPPs in Toronto.

Clearly throughout the whole debacle, no analysis or thought was undertaken by the cons. All that can reasonably be comprehended that mattered to the cons was pacifying that Big Baby at Queens Park.



Sucker Punch Doug made very clear his motives. Layton, Cressy, Perks. Lefties. Tory. Payback is a bitch baby especially when he has sucker punched himself.

A clear conservative majority on city council is now shredded and in tatters all because of Cryin' Doug Ford.


p.s. > what's the election in Tottenham's 63 wards shaping up like?
 
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Bud Plug

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Don't make me laugh. Do you really believe any cabinet member really gave two shits about the ramifications of Sucker Punch Doug's vendetta. This is reinforced by the fact that if they actually did any analysis of the provincial ridings in Toronto, they would have clearly noted that 11 NDP and 3 Liberal MPPs were elected to the Provincial legislature.

The make up of Federal MPs from Toronto is even worse. 20 Liberal and NDP members vs. just 5 Conservative members of Parliament.

A clear majority of progressive MPs and MPPs in Toronto.

Clearly throughout the whole debacle, no analysis or thought was undertaken by the cons. All that can reasonably be comprehended that mattered to the cons was pacifying that Big Baby at Queens Park.



Sucker Punch Doug made very clear his motives. Layton, Cressy, Perks. Lefties. Tory. Payback is a bitch baby especially when he has sucker punched himself.

A clear conservative majority on city council is now shredded and in tatters all because of Cryin' Doug Ford.


p.s. > what's the election in Tottenham's 63 wards shaping up like?
You're making my point.
 

Anbarandy

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You're making my point.
Your point being that it most certainly was the Sucker Puncher's misguided and vindictive knee jerk vendetta against downtown elitist leftie councilors and the current Mayor who kicked his ass in the 2014 mayoral election done by the seat of his pants with no reasonable or valid analysis conducted by himself nor his cabinet as to the likely outcome of taking a massive conservative majority on council and smashing into smithereens resulting in basically a progressive and centrist majority.

That is your point .... the unintended consequences of Sucker Punching himself in the face.

Bravo!

I love this Bud, keep on posting about your "Toronto drive-by" analysis and expertise all originating from one of the 63 ward insulated, suburban enclaves in Tottenham.
 

Bud Plug

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Your point being that it most certainly was the Sucker Puncher's misguided and vindictive knee jerk vendetta against downtown elitist leftie councilors and the current Mayor who kicked his ass in the 2014 mayoral election done by the seat of his pants with no reasonable or valid analysis conducted by himself nor his cabinet as to the likely outcome of taking a massive conservative majority on council and smashing into smithereens resulting in basically a progressive and centrist majority.

That is your point .... the unintended consequences of Sucker Punching himself in the face.

Bravo!

I love this Bud, keep on posting about your "Toronto drive-by" analysis and expertise all originating from one of the 63 ward suburban enclaves in Tottenham.
I hope you never change Anabarandy. I'm especially enjoying your amateur sleuthing. Carmen Sandiego has nothing on you.

The 2013 council vote against reducing council size was 25-13. Either your analysis about who is a leftist Councillor and who is not is wrong, or the vote against was not cast simply along ideological lines. Think about that for a moment. The obvious conclusion you should draw is that a decision to overrule the council vote from Queens Park is a message to the vast majority of Councillors, not just the loony left. And the message is that the inefficiency and ineffectiveness of Toronto Council simply can't be allowed to continue.

Anyone following municipal politics, and spending enough time in the City would recognize the problem, and want something done about it. Now, if you don't spend your time in the city, or confine your existence to some small city neighborhood, perhaps that would explain how you could fail to see such an obvious problem. When was last time you tried to travel cross town between 8 am and 10 am in the morning? Ever?
 

Frankfooter

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I hope you never change Anabarandy. I'm especially enjoying your amateur sleuthing. Carmen Sandiego has nothing on you.

The 2013 council vote against reducing council size was 25-13. Either your analysis about who is a leftist Councillor and who is not is wrong, or the vote against was not cast simply along ideological lines. Think about that for a moment. The obvious conclusion you should draw is that a decision to overrule the council vote from Queens Park is a message to the vast majority of Councillors, not just the loony left. And the message is that the inefficiency and ineffectiveness of Toronto Council simply can't be allowed to continue.

Anyone following municipal politics, and spending enough time in the City would recognize the problem, and want something done about it. Now, if you don't spend your time in the city, or confine your existence to some small city neighborhood, perhaps that would explain how you could fail to see such an obvious problem. When was last time you tried to travel cross town between 8 am and 10 am in the morning? Ever?
The vote and polls show that both councillors and the people of Toronto supported having representation on the city council increased, not decreased.
 

basketcase

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So, is it your theory that the provincial conservatives (not just Doug Ford) never analyzed the likely political composition of a 25 seat council? ...
You're suggesting that Ford thought any further than the fact that Toronto didn't elect him as mayor?
 

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1) Toronto City Council has had a conservative majority since the Rob Ford years. It has seated a 24 conservative - 13 progressive - 7 centrists - 1 Mayor majority during the John Tory years.

2) Under the previously approved 47 seat model the conservatives most likely would still have had a majority of 24 - 15 - 8 - 1.

3) Enter the Sucker Punch Despot Dog Ford and his aching for revenge loins 25 ward edict and the balance of power on city council may most likely shift away from a vast conservative majority to a slight progressive leaning council with the balance of power laying in 4 different ward races outcomes and 3 centrist councilors.


How so?

a) 5 progressive incumbents are running in wards unopposed by another incumbent while the same can only be said of 3 conservative incumbents.

b) 6 conservative incumbents are running in wards against 6 conservative incumbents running in the same wards while the same can only be of 2 progressive incumbents.

c) 2 wards are open with no incumbents. 1 ward is solid progressive while the other leans conservative.

d) 3 wards feature centrist incumbents candidates running unopposed by other incumbents.


All the above, if history be our guide, has the results of: 8 progressive - 10 cons - 3 centrists.

Which leaves us with the key ward races that may decide the balance of power on council for the next 4 years:

1) Perruza vs Mammoliti; Augimeri vs. Pasternak; Wong-Tam vs Triosi; Colle vs Carmichael-Greb

2) The above most likely would be 3 progressive and 1 conservative win


Which brings us to the following total results:

City of Toronto Council will seat: 11 progressives - 11 conservatives - 3 centrists - 1 Mayor


Which is hardly the outcome that Doug Ford's Sucker Punch was intended to effect, from a solid conservative majority to basically a pick-em game, and to which will effect more Godzilla-like city destroying tactics by the despot-in-chief.
Nope!!
FOrd did a good thing!!
Less government is good!


PS OAgre is on my ignore lists!
 

PornAddict

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You mean less left wing liberals is a good thing?
Especially less left wing liberal/ NDP is a very good things. Overall less governments is still good too!!

PS oagre is on my ignore lists!
 

Darts

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No matter how one cuts the numbers, the hard fact is that Toronto is a Liberal/NDP kind of town. Won't be surprised if 100% of gays and folks in TCH vote left. That is a huge number of voters.
 

Anbarandy

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I hope you never change Anabarandy. I'm especially enjoying your amateur sleuthing. Carmen Sandiego has nothing on you.

The 2013 council vote against reducing council size was 25-13. Either your analysis about who is a leftist Councillor and who is not is wrong, or the vote against was not cast simply along ideological lines. Think about that for a moment. The obvious conclusion you should draw is that a decision to overrule the council vote from Queens Park is a message to the vast majority of Councillors, not just the loony left. And the message is that the inefficiency and ineffectiveness of Toronto Council simply can't be allowed to continue.

Anyone following municipal politics, and spending enough time in the City would recognize the problem, and want something done about it. Now, if you don't spend your time in the city, or confine your existence to some small city neighborhood, perhaps that would explain how you could fail to see such an obvious problem. When was last time you tried to travel cross town between 8 am and 10 am in the morning? Ever?
If only that was the conclusion that can be drawn from the Thug's 360 degree self inflicted knock out of a sucker punch smack dab on his inglorious kisser. What it actually was, was a blind, gut reaction, humiliation, rejection and grievance fueled vendetta to lash out vindictively without any thought, reason or forethought as to it's consequences against his publicly proclaimed and self professed enemies on Toronto city council.

"Crickets" best explains the vast empty void of his alleged analysis and thought that was brought to bear upon his sucker punch under the guise of efficiency and effectiveness.

Rejected and humiliated as a half the time not there failed, right wing loony councilor.

Rejected and humiliated as a downtown waterfront ferris wheel, casino and circus promoter.

Rejected and humiliated as a half backed Mayoral candidate.

Rejected and humiliated on 90%> of city council votes that he championed and miserably lost when he was actually there only half the time pretending to do his job.

Enraged when council voted 38 - 4 to to strip his brother of all but ceremonial powers and half his budget.
 

Butler1000

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If only that was the conclusion that can be drawn from the Thug's 360 degree self inflicted knock out of a sucker punch smack dab on his inglorious kisser. What it actually was, was a blind, gut reaction, humiliation, rejection and grievance fueled vendetta to lash out vindictively without any thought, reason or forethought as to it's consequences against his publicly proclaimed and self professed enemies on Toronto city council.

"Crickets" best explains the vast empty void of his alleged analysis and thought that was brought to bear upon his sucker punch under the guise of efficiency and effectiveness.

Rejected and humiliated as a half the time not there failed, right wing loony councilor.

Rejected and humiliated as a downtown waterfront ferris wheel, casino and circus promoter.

Rejected and humiliated as a half backed Mayoral candidate.

Rejected and humiliated on 90%> of city council votes that he championed and miserably lost when he was actually there only half the time pretending to do his job.

Enraged when council voted 38 - 4 to to strip his brother of all but ceremonial powers and half his budget.
But boy if this is true is he getting the last laugh......
 

Anbarandy

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But boy if this is true is he getting the last laugh......
Hey Butler!

Glad u could take time out from another of your upcoming busy days defending your anti-Sanders hero Trump and enjoin however briefly in a thread about Toronto.

I bet you're getting all antsy pantsy to ride the +$3.5billion BDL one stop gravy train.
 

Butler1000

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Hey Butler!

Glad u could take time out from another of your upcoming busy days defending your anti-Sanders hero Trump and enjoin however briefly in a thread about Toronto.

I bet you're getting all antsy pantsy to ride the +$3.5billion BDL one stop gravy train.
As I don't live out that way no not really.

As to this I didn't vote for Doug. I would have prefered Elliot. But I will say I agree with this. Next hopefully will be term limits.
 

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Yes indeed one wonders then why you aren't overjoyed with the reduction in bureaucratic waste ?
Bureaucrats are swivel servants, and it will take more of them than ever to fill-in for the phone-answering and emailing that 22 Councillors who won't be around after the election around used to do to keep citizens happy.

The fewer elected folks, the more job-secure hired folks we wind up with. Some call that bureaucratic waste, but that's an over-broad generalization. For sure though, with fewer Councillors watching, it'll take longer for the do-nothings and time-servers to be noticed.
 
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