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Exclusive: Canadian member of Islamic State caught, but RCMP struggle to lay charges against ISIS fighters
By Stewart Bell National Online Journalist, Investigative Global News

In an exclusive Global News series, Stewart Bell reports from Iraq and Syria on the aftermath of the war against the so-called Islamic State. In Part 1, Global looks at Canadian ISIS members who are being held by the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces and the challenges Justin Trudeau’s government faces with Canadian members of the terror group.

A high-profile Canadian member of the so-called Islamic State has been caught while attempting to return to Canada, Global News has confirmed.

Muhammad Ali, 28, who left Toronto in 2014 to join ISIS, was captured by Kurdish forces as he tried to flee from Syria to Turkey.

Global News interviewed Ali at a makeshift prison where he is being held by the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces, or SDF, the military alliance that controls northeast Syria.

The former Ryerson University student, who went by Abu Turaab Al-Kanadi, was taken into custody four months ago in Ras al-Ayn, on the Turkish border.

At the time, he was with his Canadian wife, former Vancouver resident Rida Jabbar, and their two children, both born in Syria.

His family is being detained at a camp not far from the prison where Kurdish, American and British officials have been interrogating Ali.

His capture is significant because, aside from serving as a sniper, Ali used social media to encourage others to join ISIS and conduct terrorist attacks.

Ali’s case has placed the government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in a difficult position. Kurdish officials want to hand Ali and a dozen other Canadians over to Ottawa.

However, with the RCMP struggling to bring charges against Canadians who have taken part in overseas terror groups, there is no guarantee Ali would face arrest upon his return.

READ MORE: What happens when an ISIS member returns to Canada? The story of one Toronto-area man

Kurdish authorities said they were holding almost 900 foreign ISIS fighters, as well as 500 wives and more than 1,000 children, and want governments to take back those that are their citizens.

Abdulkarim Omar, co-chair of Foreign Affairs for the Democratic Self-Administration of North Syria told Global News in an interview in Qamlishi, a city in northern Syria that 10 Canadians are currently being held.

“So far we have three ISIS fighters, two women and five children. In total there are 10 Canadian citizens,” Omar said. “The fighters are in prisons and the women and children are in the camps.”

Those numbers do not include Ali’s family.

Omar said Kurdish officials met months ago with Canadian diplomats in northern Iraq.

“There was a dialogue with the Canadian government via the Canadian consulate in Beirut,” he said. “We had a meeting in Sulaymaniyah and there was some good steps and we filled application forms and then suddenly the Canadian government stopped this process and we don’t know why.”

Canada’s foreign affairs department would not say how many Canadians were in SDF custody. “Global Affairs Canada is aware that Canadian citizens are being detained in Syria,” a spokeswoman said.

The government “is engaged in these cases and is providing assistance, to the extent possible,” said spokesperson Amy Mills. “Given the unpredictable security situation, the government of Canada’s ability to provide consular assistance in all parts of Syria is severely limited.”

The Integrated National Security Enforcement Team has been investigating Ali but he has not been charged. Canadian officials have not spoken to him since he was apprehended.

According to ISIS documents smuggled out of the region, Ali joined the terror group on April 24, 2014. His ISIS membership form indicated he asked to serve as a fighter.

Once he had joined, he made no secret about it, posting on social media accounts that he was a “soldier” in ISIS. “Everyone will die eventually. It’s inevitable,” he wrote. “Best to go out fighting for what you believe in.”

His Ask.FM account encouraged others to join ISIS, gave advice on how to do it and told recruits to contact him once they arrived in Turkey.

One online message suggested he had helped a group of Canadians cross into Syria to join ISIS. The friends are all believed to be from the Toronto area.

“Analysts still trying to figure out what radicalizes us,” a post on his Twitter account read. “Read the Quran … and look at the dire situation in Muslim Lands.”

READ MORE: ISIS leader al-Baghdadi appears to call for attacks on Canada in new audio recording

He spoke about playing soccer with severed heads, wrote that homosexuals “should be killed” and posted ISIS’s incitement lines, such as: “Kill the disbeliever whether he is civilian of military.”

Following the deadly October 2014 terror attacks that killed Canadian soldiers in Quebec and Ottawa, he wrote, “First Ottawa, then Quebec. Strike them, just as they strike your brothers and sisters.”

“If you are unable to make hijra [travel abroad], know that you have permission to strike them in their lands. Kill a kaffir [non-believer] and secure you [sic] place in Jannah [heaven],” another post read.

He had been absent from social media in recent years, feeding speculation he was dead. But he had only gone offline while continuing his involvement with ISIS.

University of Ottawa Professor Craig Forcese said some of his online posts could be considered participation in a terrorist group, counselling a criminal offence, hate speech and uttering threats.

“Everything turns on the quality of this information,” he said.

READ MORE: ISIS servers seized in Canada as countries launch coordinated takedown of propaganda network

The Syrian Kurds who have pushed ISIS back and encircled its last stronghold said they lacked the capability to imprison, bring to justice and rehabilitate 2,000 foreign captives.

“This is a big burden on our shoulders and this is a big number of ISIL fighters and they pose a serious threat here so we cannot keep them here,” said Omar, the official with the Democratic Self-Administration of North Syria. He added that should the conflict flare in the region, the ISIS members might escape.

“This is a good chance for the international community because we have them in our custody. They should take on their moral responsibilities and address this issue,” he said.

“We have sacrificed a lot to be able to capture those dangerous and notorious criminals, 900 people, ISIL fighters, every country should assume their responsibilities and try to help us to address this issue and take their citizens back to their countries and try them in countries.”

The FBI recently brought a woman captured by Kurdish forces and her four children back to the U.S., and Russia and Sudan took back their nationals, Omar said. “But this is not enough, we need to find an overall solution.”

Stewart.Bell@globalnews.ca


https://globalnews.ca/news/4526514/canadian-isis-caught-in-turkey/
 

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I am now doing Zaibetter's job for him.

But it underlines the problem with charging and convicting people for crimes in another country and witnesses who are dead, cannot travel, disappear, etc.

My guess is that this asshole is too high profile and outrageous and the RCMP will find some way of charging him.
 

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Ridiculous! Put them against the wall and send them to paradise
 

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Ridiculous! Put them against the wall and send them to paradise
I think they do that in Iraq. Syria is too disorganized and is trying to give him back to us.
 

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“So far we have three ISIS fighters, two women and five children. In total there are 10 Canadian citizens,” Omar said. “The fighters are in prisons and the women and children are in the camps.”

No photo ops here for the Prime Minister. Probably the last thing he needs/wants a year before the next federal election.

Why does the article say they are Canadian citizens? Didn't these folks renounced their Canadian citizenship and burned their passport when they joined ISIS? Also, if they are Canadian citizens, are they also citizens of another country or countries?
 

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“So far we have three ISIS fighters, two women and five children. In total there are 10 Canadian citizens,” Omar said. “The fighters are in prisons and the women and children are in the camps.”

No photo ops here for the Prime Minister. Probably the last thing he needs/wants a year before the next federal election.

Why does the article say they are Canadian citizens? Didn't these folks renounced their Canadian citizenship and burned their passport when they joined ISIS? Also, if they are Canadian citizens, are they also citizens of another country or countries?

I have no idea if these folks renounced their Canadian citizenship when they went to Syria or not. Why don't you go ask them?

How is this Trudeau's fault??... Oh, of course. All terrorism everywhere is Trudeau's fault. Probably because he wore a certain colour tie when he drove to parliament a couple of years ago or some cogent reason like that. Is it Trump's fault that Americans join ISIS? How about May's fault when Brits join ISIS?

And I'm waiting for Andrew Scheer to come up with a sensible plan to repatriate, charge, try and convict these terrorists. Just like Scheer's "plan" for NAFTA which - as I recall - was to give in and let Trump and the Americans ass fuck Canada and laugh at us.
 

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Ridiculous! Put them against the wall and send them to paradise
The should let the Kurds do what they want. I'm suprised they are even involved with the Libtards rather than just taking care of these Canadian Isis terrorists.
 

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No photo ops here for the Prime Minister. Probably the last thing he needs/wants a year before the next federal election.

Why does the article say they are Canadian citizens? Didn't these folks renounced their Canadian citizenship and burned their passport when they joined ISIS? Also, if they are Canadian citizens, are they also citizens of another country or countries?
You have to thank Trudeau the Groper for these guys coming back to Canada. Harper in his wisdom had a law that would block citizenship for Canadians involved in terrorism and strip them of their citizenship. But thanks to Trudeau that changed with C-6, remember Trudeau's a citizen is a citizen is a citizen???? Trudeau is the worst.

"Bill C-6 was designed to repeal many of the previous Conservative government's changes to how people become citizens — and how they can lose that status.
Among other things, the legislation repeals a provision that strips dual citizens of their Canadian status if convicted of terrorism, treason or espionage."


"Among other things, the legislation repeals a provision that strips dual citizens of their Canadian status if convicted of terrorism, treason or espionage."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/citizenship-act-amendments-senate-thursday-1.4163656
 

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You have to thank Trudeau the Groper for these guys coming back to Canada. Harper in his wisdom had a law that would block citizenship for Canadians involved in terrorism and strip them of their citizenship. But thanks to Trudeau that changed with C-6, remember Trudeau's a citizen is a citizen is a citizen???? Trudeau is the worst.

"Bill C-6 was designed to repeal many of the previous Conservative government's changes to how people become citizens — and how they can lose that status.
Among other things, the legislation repeals a provision that strips dual citizens of their Canadian status if convicted of terrorism, treason or espionage."


"Among other things, the legislation repeals a provision that strips dual citizens of their Canadian status if convicted of terrorism, treason or espionage."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/citizenship-act-amendments-senate-thursday-1.4163656
It's unclear if he has any other citizenship. And Trudeau is correct anyway. If he's ours, we have to take responsibility for him.
 

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The should let the Kurds do what they want. I'm suprised they are even involved with the Libtards rather than just taking care of these Canadian Isis terrorists.

I think the Kurds want to give him back. There's no suggestion that they want to try this ass and fry him themselves. Which would be a decent enough solution, since he committed war crimes on their soil and the evidence and witnesses are there.

I'm not seeing that Canada is stopping them doing anything.

Do you want him back, Zai? We can try him here and sentence him?
 

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“So far we have three ISIS fighters, two women and five children. In total there are 10 Canadian citizens,” Omar said. “The fighters are in prisons and the women and children are in the camps.”
Hopefully they didn't split the children away from their parents.
 

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Hopefully they didn't split the children away from their parents.
Maybe Caitlan Coleman can take the kids.
"American hostage mom Caitlan Coleman leaves Canada, returns to ...
https://abcnews.go.com/International/american-hostage-mom-caitlan-coleman.../story?...
Jul 24, 2018 - American hostage mom Caitlan Coleman leaves Canada, returns to US with children. Former Taliban hostage Caitlan Coleman returned to the United States with her three children on Monday, almost six years after she was abducted while backpacking across Afghanistan with her husband, ABC News has learned."

These ISIS fighters/terrorists usually have a second citizenship. Remember Omar Khadr? He also had Pakistani citizenship, but of course it was Trudeau who paid him the $10.1 million.
 

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Leave him there and declare him persona non grata, but our PM being who he is will welcome him with open arms and million dollar cheque for being jailed in Syria. That’s how sad our country has become.
 

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I remember when Conrad Black renounced his Canadian citizenship, Jean Chretian wouldn't give it back to him but then Conrad wasn't a terrorist.
 

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Maybe Caitlan Coleman can take the kids.
"American hostage mom Caitlan Coleman leaves Canada, returns to ...
https://abcnews.go.com/International/american-hostage-mom-caitlan-coleman.../story?...
Jul 24, 2018 - American hostage mom Caitlan Coleman leaves Canada, returns to US with children. Former Taliban hostage Caitlan Coleman returned to the United States with her three children on Monday, almost six years after she was abducted while backpacking across Afghanistan with her husband, ABC News has learned."

These ISIS fighters/terrorists usually have a second citizenship. Remember Omar Khadr? He also had Pakistani citizenship, but of course it was Trudeau who paid him the $10.1 million.

Trudeau paid Khadr the $$$ because the courts were going to make him pay even more, if the case went to trial. Lots of articles written about that at the time.
 

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Leave him there and declare him persona non grata, but our PM being who he is will welcome him with open arms and million dollar cheque for being jailed in Syria. That’s how sad our country has become.

Interested in your legal analysis, Orion. Care to enlighten me on how you come to that conclusion?

Everything in the article is about whether this guy can be successfully prosecuted and sent to prison in this country. You DID read the article before posting, huh? Nothing about giving him $. Now I know that you're a well qualified legal analyst. So why don't you shed a little light on your post for us?
 

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I remember when Conrad Black renounced his Canadian citizenship, Jean Chretian wouldn't give it back to him but then Conrad wasn't a terrorist.

IIRC correctly, Black got his citizenship back after renouncing it in order to get a British title and citizenship and after being convicted of a major felony in the US. Now Conrad wasn't a terrorist, but he was an asshole and a convicted felon.

Not only did he get his citizenship back - or at least was allowed to stay here indefinitely, because after all convicted felons usually aren't allowed to become Canadian citizens - but he immediately got a job as a well paid current events pundit set up for him by his wife and super-rich buddies. Nice to see you're a fan of Conrad's though. Maybe you could help me with exactly what his positive qualities are?

Conrad Black wouldn't exactly jump out at me as a poster boy for a "good Canadian". Maybe you think differently though. Please tell.

 

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Hopefully they didn't split the children away from their parents.

Guess they didn't, Ref. Sounds like the Kurds are nicer than Trump about this stuff.
 

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Interested in your legal analysis, Orion. Care to enlighten me on how you come to that conclusion?

Everything in the article is about whether this guy can be successfully prosecuted and sent to prison in this country. You DID read the article before posting, huh? Nothing about giving him $. Now I know that you're a well qualified legal analyst. So why don't you shed a little light on your post for us?
I doubt there is anything that he can be prosecuted for anything in Canada, which is even more reason not to let him back in, do you really want someone like that roaming your streets to practice the trade craft he learned in Syria? Canada didn’t knowingly allow Nazis into Canada after WW 2, or members of the Khmer Rouge, how is this any different other that having a certified moron for PM who sees these people a potential voting base.

It’s astonishing how ill informed Canadians on the left side of the spectrum are these days. No common sense, no nothing, you all live in bubble. All you do is look for ways to satisfy your innate need not to offend anyone and portray yourselves as enlightened and accepting of everyone. That’s a real problem when you start bringing people with their problems and beefs to our shores.
 

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I doubt there is anything that he can be prosecuted for anything in Canada, which is even more reason not to let him back in, do you really want someone like that roaming your streets to practice the trade craft he learned in Syria? Canada didn’t knowingly allow Nazis into Canada after WW 2, or members of the Khmer Rouge, how is this any different other that having a certified moron for PM who sees these people a potential voting base.

It’s astonishing how ill informed Canadians on the left side of the spectrum are these days. No common sense, no nothing, you all live in bubble. All you do is look for ways to satisfy your innate need not to offend anyone and portray yourselves as enlightened and accepting of everyone. That’s a real problem when you start bringing people with their problems and beefs to our shores.
Thanks for correcting me, Orion. I always appreciate your opinion.

First of all, he can be prosecuted here for terrorism offences. Look it up.

Second, no I don't want him roaming the streets. I want him in a jail serving his sentence for terrorism.

Third, I was unaware that JT was basing his reelection campaign on the "returning ISIS terrorist vote". Tell me more about this?

Fourth, we've been "bringing people with their problems and their beefs to our shores" for decades. So far, we're lucky because Serbs here don't kill Croats; Hindus don't kill Sikhs; and Iranians don't kill Arabs. I'm touching wood that it's going to last. But I'm surprised that you seem unaware that Canada is such a melting pot.

Fifth, if I'm "ill informed", please explain how I know all this shit and you don't? Waiting.....

Sixth, what's my "innate need not to offend anyone and portray myself as enlightened". I'm the guy asking for the ISIS dude to be prosecuted and go to jail. Seems pretty "uninclusive" to me. Help me on this?
 
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