I was just wondering what all terbites were up to in high school in terms of drinking and partying. I bring this up here because of the Kavanaugh situation in the U.S.A. I had and older brother so started at a young age. We had parties at somebodies house every few weekends plus living in Ottawa we would go to Hull to drink underage. I was also going to house parties from a few different high schools because of different friends and it was all similar. I am just curious about this because it seems for some people it is a big shock that he drank and this was happening. For me the partying was normal part of my teenage high school years.
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I believe that the core of the discussion is not in and of itself, the drinking. It is that he denied that it is possible for him to have forgotten the incident because he claimed that he never drank to excess.
Ok thanks shack. I have not been following this closely at all so I thought people got upset over the drinking. Things are so crazy in the states politically right now and it is 24/7 on places like CNN. Last night I saw a highlight that Kavanaugh in 1985 threw ice cubes during a fight in 1985.
Drinking and partying has always been a part of High School and University. When I went to High School people turned 18 (which was the legal age) while IN High School too, so dumping your fake ID and buying a legal case was almost a rite of passage. Also, back then parents were less overly protective - so if they happened to be away for the weekend then it was an automatic party. But there is a difference between high school partying and assaulting somebody. I can honestly say that I have never seen or even heard of this through High School or University. Also - I got drunk many times in High School - even to the point of throwing up - but I could always recall every instance the next day.
I would also add - that I think High School parties (at a house) were more common back in my days and Kavanaugh's days because there was no danger of the party getting out of control with 100's showing up because of a social media posting. My kids experience with home parties is that some parents would go so far as to hire security to keep strangers out. In my day - the parents would be out of town.
So I'm not shocked at all about Kavanaugh's drinking. I don't think it's the drinking that people are upset about - it's the possibility that he blatantly lied about it that is. THAT is the problem. And as I've said in other posts - the image he tried to build via his FOX Interview and his testimony is actually less credible (in my opinion) than if he had admitted to the occasional over-drinking episode, especially given his reputation.
I was at Carleton by 18, and the drinking age was still 21, but it was easy enough to make a 5 into an 8 on a paper Driver's License, and anyway 20 was legal in Hull.
Who doesn't drink to excess when they've had no experience? How else do you discover how much is too much? And if 'holding your likker' is a Good Thing, don't you get there by practising? I got to be quite good at it, and so did most of my friends. Wanna speculate about the possibility of self-pleasing selection as I established my social circle at school?
OF course I don't remember what happened the first time I blacked out; that's right in the definition. I thought I'd just gone to bed and slept, but it turned out there was more than an hour — a good deal more — when I was up and about, talking, interacting and doing stuff that other people did remember — not too horrible or embarrassing — stuff. But stupid stuff I simply had to take their word for.
Did that stop me? Nope. I did acquire a bit more skill at recognizing that tipping-point, but it wasn't reliable. Sometimes my last conscious memory faded to black miles away from the place where I woke up. But I was always supposed to be there, and the stories from my companions weren't too frightening. So I persisted in the delusion I was 'in control' — minimally — and 'responsible' on essentials, though deficient in detail. I kept up those sorts of binges (not always with actual blackouts, but some) quite successfully, all through under-grad and grad school and out into the working world. Thinking I was handling alcohol.
That's how the years this thread covers, from High School to maturity/marriage, went. Never recognizing, and always denying, I was drinking to excess.
IYRWtK, it was combining the alcohol with autos — which I got away with, accident-free far longer than I should have — that finally made me listen to people who love me.
Never ever drink and drive; the only way to know alcohol was not a factor in your accident, is to have NONE in you at all.
Who doesn't drink to excess when they've had no experience? How else do you discover how much is too much? And if 'holding your likker' is a Good Thing, don't you get there by practising? I got to be quite good at it, and so did most of my friends. Wanna speculate about the possibility of self-pleasing selection as I established my social circle at school?
OF course I don't remember what happened the first time I blacked out; that's right in the definition. I thought I'd just gone to bed and slept, but it turned out there was more than an hour — a good deal more — when I was up and about, talking, interacting and doing stuff that other people did remember — not too horrible or embarrassing — stuff. But stupid stuff I simply had to take their word for.
Did that stop me? Nope. I did acquire a bit more skill at recognizing that tipping-point, but it wasn't reliable. Sometimes my last conscious memory faded to black miles away from the place where I woke up. But I was always supposed to be there, and the stories from my companions weren't too frightening. So I persisted in the delusion I was 'in control' — minimally — and 'responsible' on essentials, though deficient in detail. I kept up those sorts of binges (not always with actual blackouts, but some) quite successfully, all through under-grad and grad school and out into the working world. Thinking I was handling alcohol.
That's how the years this thread covers, from High School to maturity/marriage, went. Never recognizing, and always denying, I was drinking to excess.
IYRWtK, it was combining the alcohol with autos — which I got away with, accident-free far longer than I should have — that finally made me listen to people who love me.
Never ever drink and drive; the only way to know alcohol was not a factor in your accident, is to have NONE in you at all.
I expect that in future confirmation hearings we will be treated to such compelling inquiries as:
Won't THAT vetting of "character" improve the quality of decisions issuing from SCOTUS! (not)
The Democrats didn't want Kavanaugh because of his views on Roe vs. Wade and on the independence of the office of the President from the other branches of government. That's it. They would have happily joined him in an orgy of gang rape had they only believed he held the opposite judicial views. You can carry on believing that what is really important is whether he "lied under oath" if you want, but you'll be fooling no one but yourself. They may as well have asked him what his favorite colour is, got him to answer blue, and then presented him with thousands of pictures proving that all his clothes are black.
1. Have you ever had sex with anyone other than your wife, and not used a condom? (Disrespects women, doesn't care about public health, contributing to demand for abortions, etc.)
2. Have you ever laughed at a sexist/racist/bigoted joke? (Sexist, racist, etc.)
3. Did you ever smoke pot before it was made legal? (No respect for law and order. Immoral.)
4. Do you have any family members that you have severed contact with? (No respect for family relationships.)
5. Did you ever tell anyone that you loved them, when you really didn't? (Manipulates women/men. Liar.)
6. Have you ever browsed to an online site that included pornography, or discusses the sex industry? (Pervert.)
2. Have you ever laughed at a sexist/racist/bigoted joke? (Sexist, racist, etc.)
3. Did you ever smoke pot before it was made legal? (No respect for law and order. Immoral.)
4. Do you have any family members that you have severed contact with? (No respect for family relationships.)
5. Did you ever tell anyone that you loved them, when you really didn't? (Manipulates women/men. Liar.)
6. Have you ever browsed to an online site that included pornography, or discusses the sex industry? (Pervert.)
Won't THAT vetting of "character" improve the quality of decisions issuing from SCOTUS! (not)
The Democrats didn't want Kavanaugh because of his views on Roe vs. Wade and on the independence of the office of the President from the other branches of government. That's it. They would have happily joined him in an orgy of gang rape had they only believed he held the opposite judicial views. You can carry on believing that what is really important is whether he "lied under oath" if you want, but you'll be fooling no one but yourself. They may as well have asked him what his favorite colour is, got him to answer blue, and then presented him with thousands of pictures proving that all his clothes are black.
Despair not. That is only bog-standard politics at its frequent worst.
The sun always comes up, even if sometimes it's hard to see the dawn.
And even if their politics suits your side of the moment, any nominee still has to be worthy of the Court.
'Sides aren't we still waiting for the Fat Lady to sing?
Oh, I'm still predicting he will be confirmed. The FBI won't find conclusive corroborating evidence. It would be political suicide for GOP Senators not to confirm in those circumstances.
However, this process WILL discourage good candidates from stepping forward for public office. So, on balance, I think these tactics, this time round, did far more harm to the US (and democracies in general, because without US democracy, I think many democracies would falter) than good.
It is also now going to his credibility overall, not just the alleged sexual assault. He denied drinking to excess and now some former friends/schoolmates are saying otherwise, that he is not the choirboy he paints himself to be.
As well, he claimed to have first heard of the second assault allegation when it came out in the newspaper. Evidently he knew about it prior, and even before the story got published, he approached some of his former mates to back him up.
Lying to the senate committee is disqualifying if not actually illegal.
