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Ford CEO Says Trump Tariffs Cost Company $1 Billion In Profits

Ford's Chief Executive Officer, James Hackett, became the latest in a long line of executives to claim that that President Trump's trade war is hurting his company, and specifically that the tariffs on metals have cost Ford $1 billion in profits. He made the comments on Wednesday at a Bloomberg conference in New York City.

"From Ford’s perspective the metals tariffs took about $1 billion in profit from us. The irony of which is we source most of that in the U.S. today anyway. If it goes on any longer, it will do more damage," he said, and warned that domestic commodity prices could move even higher as a result of the tariffs.

As has happened with home prices and with farmers, the effect of tariffs has sometimes hurt U.S. consumers and U.S. businesses. In response, the Trump administration even implemented a short term $12 billion stimulus plan for farmers who were negatively affected. One way or another, the costs of the tariffs have been passed down to consumers.

And automakers in the past had warned that these costs would be passed down to consumers because the price of commodities would rise for manufacturing.

The Association of Global Automakers representing major foreign automakers stated then that "the greatest threat to the U.S. automotive industry at this time is the possibility the administration will impose duties on imports in connection with this investigation. Such duties would raise prices for American consumers, limit their choices, and suppress sales and U.S. production of vehicles."



The auto industry is still waiting to see if there will be a new round of tariffs following a order in May by President Trump to investigate whether or not he should impose a 25% tariff on parts imported from the European Union.

Section 232 of the US Trade Expansion Act basically allows the President carte blanche to adjust imports by using tariffs "if they threaten national security". This additional tariff would have far-reaching consequences, according to analytics data firm IHS Markit. According to them, it could also wind up costing about 300,000 automotive related jobs in both factories in dealerships across the country.

The EU has threatened $300 billion in retaliation for such tariffs.
 

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Arcelor's Steel Profits Keep Growing, This Time Thanks to Trump
Thomas BiesheuvelAugust 1, 2018, 5:03 AM EDT

ArcelorMittal was already enjoying its best run in years as the world’s biggest steelmaker cashed in on resurgent demand and a sharp fall in Chinese exports. Then along came Donald Trump and business got even better.

For years, the Luxembourg-based producer has been decrying unfair trade conditions in its key markets of Europe and the U.S. Now, U.S. tariffs have slammed the door shut on cheap steel imports, leading to the highest prices in years. That’s built on an already tightening market as China closes surplus plants and demand booms across the globe.

The impact on ArcelorMittal, which has struggled for years in a pressurized industry, are clear to see. The company reported its highest quarterly profit in seven years on Wednesday and said it expects global demand to grow faster than previously expected, both overall and in its most important markets.

“We have a strong U.S exposure, clearly we are a net beneficiary of the trade actions,” said Chief Financial Officer Aditya Mittal. “It’s great to see the two things come together, the improvements we have made as a company as well as the improvements in the market.”

Trump made protecting the domestic steel industry one of his cornerstone election promises after the country’s producers were bruised by cheap imports, predominantly from China, which produces more of the metal than it needs. Earlier this year, using a Cold War-era law, his administration added a 25 percent tariff to steel imports.


ArcelorMittal increased its forecasts for steel demand, saying it expects global consumption to rise as much as 3 percent in 2018, up from an earlier forecast of as much as 2.5 percent. It also upgraded its outlook for China.

That strong demand, along with Trump’s tariffs, has driven up prices. ArcelorMittal reported big increases in its average selling price in both North America and Europe, and also shipped 1.8 percent more steel in the quarter.

The good macro news is being turned into profits. ArcelorMittal’s second-quarter earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization was $3.07 billion, up from $2.11 billion a year earlier, beating analyst expectations.

While there remains the risk that key customers such as automakers and appliance makers will be harmed by escalating trade tensions, the benefits from the tariffs outweigh those concerns for now.

“We don’t believe tariffs are impacting the level of trade that takes global GDP to negative territory,” said Aditya Mittal. “Clearly this is a risk, but perhaps we just need to appreciate a bit more the improvements that have occurred and the size of this risk.”

ArcelorMittal is also looking to grow. The European Union has approved its 1.8 billion euro ($2.1 billion) bid for Italy’s Ilva SpA, Europe’s biggest steel plant, and expects to complete the deal September. The company is also trying to buy Essar Steel India Ltd. in India.

Still, the company is dealing with significant debt. Borrowings fell to $10.5 billion by the end of the first half, well short of its $6 billion goal. The company has said that it needs to reach debt targets before increasing dividends.

Christian Georges, an analyst at Societe Generale SA, said the company could almost achieve the target by the end of the year, which would leading to a re-rating of the shares.

“The outlook for the second half of the year is encouraging as we anticipate current favorable market conditions continuing,” he said.
 

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GM will suffer even bigger losses. And that's just two auto manufacturers. Remember - GM was bailed out just 10 year ago. Ford wasn't but look at their stock - it's below $10. So where the fuck does Trump think they'll get the capital to move manufacturing to the US (which would require billions of dollars in investments)? Multiply that by any industry affected by the tariffs. It's a fools game and Trump is the biggest fool.

IHS Markits predicts at 1.1% hit to growth and 300,000 job losses in US Manufacturing and that's in 2019. Trump thinks he'll win if other countries hurt more - the man is an imbecile.
 

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GM will suffer even bigger losses. And that's just two auto manufacturers. Remember - GM was bailed out just 10 year ago. Ford wasn't but look at their stock - it's below $10. So where the fuck does Trump think they'll get the capital to move manufacturing to the US (which would require billions of dollars in investments)? Multiply that by any industry affected by the tariffs. It's a fools game and Trump is the biggest fool.

IHS Markits predicts at 1.1% hit to growth and 300,000 job losses in US Manufacturing and that's in 2019. Trump thinks he'll win if other countries hurt more - the man is an imbecile.
It is a fools game & Trump is a fool, however Ford can get the capital to re-toll if needed.
Do not be surprises if Trump funnels some of the Tariff money Fords way
 

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They are dependent on F150 and SUVs in the US, their cars are dated and not compelling (although I rented a focus last weekend and was surprisingly pleased).
Anybody who can afford it will buy a German designed car.
 

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It is a fools game & Trump is a fool, however Ford can get the capital to re-toll if needed.
Do not be surprises if Trump funnels some of the Tariff money Fords way
That would be the right thing to do. However, it remains to be seen if Trump and his administration will do that.

It is somewhat ironic that the protectionist tariffs are helping a non US company.
 

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Anybody who can afford it will buy a German designed car.
Like my first Ford Focus. The automotive world has changed over the last twenty to forty years, and there seems to be quite a bit of globalization. Trump’s automotive tariffs might deleteriously affect all that has been accomplished IMHO.
 

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It is a fools game & Trump is a fool, however Ford can get the capital to re-toll if needed.
Do not be surprises if Trump funnels some of the Tariff money Fords way
It costs about a billion dollars just to change over an existing facility to a new platform - that's a rule of thumb for any manufacturer. Moving facilities and reconstructing, completely changing all the supply chains (and related contracts, etc) will be multiples of that. Remember, factories no longer carry much inventory of parts - NAFTA has allowed parts to be delivered from wherever they can be manufactured for the cheapest and delivered on time. It's took decades to set up and the industry has relied upon this way of manufacturing. Trump does not understand this basic fact because he revels in his own ignorance and the ignorance of his followers.

This will not end well for Canada - but it will also be a disaster for the US. And Trump (who thinks he's negotiating a bankruptcy where stiffing the other side is the goal) is willingly and idiotically driving off that cliff.
 

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Anybody who can afford it will buy a German designed car.
I can afford it and buy Japanese SUVs, they run as long and are a bargain to maintain.

There is no Nazi sled pickup truck, and those outsell every other vehicle dramatically.

My SO would agree with you.
 

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I can afford it and buy Japanese SUVs, they run as long and are a bargain to maintain.

There is no Nazi sled pickup truck, and those outsell every other vehicle dramatically.

My SO would agree with you.
You have good taste in SO.
 

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Arcelor's Steel Profits Keep Growing, This Time Thanks to Trump
Thomas BiesheuvelAugust 1, 2018, 5:03 AM EDT

ArcelorMittal was already enjoying its best run in years as the world’s biggest steelmaker cashed in on resurgent demand and a sharp fall in Chinese exports. Then along came Donald Trump and business got even better.

For years, the Luxembourg-based producer has been decrying unfair trade conditions in its key markets of Europe and the U.S. Now, U.S. tariffs have slammed the door shut on cheap steel imports, leading to the highest prices in years. That’s built on an already tightening market as China closes surplus plants and demand booms across the globe.

The impact on ArcelorMittal, which has struggled for years in a pressurized industry, are clear to see. The company reported its highest quarterly profit in seven years on Wednesday and said it expects global demand to grow faster than previously expected, both overall and in its most important markets.

“We have a strong U.S exposure, clearly we are a net beneficiary of the trade actions,” said Chief Financial Officer Aditya Mittal. “It’s great to see the two things come together, the improvements we have made as a company as well as the improvements in the market.”

Trump made protecting the domestic steel industry one of his cornerstone election promises after the country’s producers were bruised by cheap imports, predominantly from China, which produces more of the metal than it needs. Earlier this year, using a Cold War-era law, his administration added a 25 percent tariff to steel imports.


ArcelorMittal increased its forecasts for steel demand, saying it expects global consumption to rise as much as 3 percent in 2018, up from an earlier forecast of as much as 2.5 percent. It also upgraded its outlook for China.

That strong demand, along with Trump’s tariffs, has driven up prices. ArcelorMittal reported big increases in its average selling price in both North America and Europe, and also shipped 1.8 percent more steel in the quarter.

The good macro news is being turned into profits. ArcelorMittal’s second-quarter earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization was $3.07 billion, up from $2.11 billion a year earlier, beating analyst expectations.

While there remains the risk that key customers such as automakers and appliance makers will be harmed by escalating trade tensions, the benefits from the tariffs outweigh those concerns for now.

“We don’t believe tariffs are impacting the level of trade that takes global GDP to negative territory,” said Aditya Mittal. “Clearly this is a risk, but perhaps we just need to appreciate a bit more the improvements that have occurred and the size of this risk.”

ArcelorMittal is also looking to grow. The European Union has approved its 1.8 billion euro ($2.1 billion) bid for Italy’s Ilva SpA, Europe’s biggest steel plant, and expects to complete the deal September. The company is also trying to buy Essar Steel India Ltd. in India.

Still, the company is dealing with significant debt. Borrowings fell to $10.5 billion by the end of the first half, well short of its $6 billion goal. The company has said that it needs to reach debt targets before increasing dividends.

Christian Georges, an analyst at Societe Generale SA, said the company could almost achieve the target by the end of the year, which would leading to a re-rating of the shares.

“The outlook for the second half of the year is encouraging as we anticipate current favorable market conditions continuing,” he said.
Steel prices are up as a result of the tariffs so all that has happened is that the PGOTUS has imposed a tax on US companies and consumers to subside the US steel industry. So as much as you or Trump may wish to tout increased employment in steel they are all subsidized jobs. Ain't capitalism wonderful. In some places and among some on this board they call that socialism.
 

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Steel prices are up as a result of the tariffs so all that has happened is that the PGOTUS has imposed a tax on US companies and consumers to subside the US steel industry. So as much as you or Trump may wish to tout increased employment in steel they are all subsidized jobs. Ain't capitalism wonderful. In some places and among some on this board they call that socialism.
I call it corporatism.
 

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Since Mulroney, Canadian and American plants have essentially been a single production system supplied by cross-border just-in-time tractor-trailer warehouses. Of course lawyers can untangle what defines a Canadian car vs. an American one to apply Trump's the 'national security' tariffs, and protect the USA from its threatening NORAD partner.

But by the time the accountants get through adjusting the costs and prices along the line to keep everyone in the black, a whole lotta Republican truck and car buyers are gonna be screaming about much higher prices.

Unless production can quickly move to Mexico. Then it'll only be the few remaining car-plant workers complaining about being laid-off.
 

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Arcelor's Steel Profits Keep Growing, This Time Thanks to Trump
Thomas BiesheuvelAugust 1, 2018, 5:03 AM EDT

ArcelorMittal was already enjoying its best run in years as the world’s biggest steelmaker cashed in on resurgent demand and a sharp fall in Chinese exports. Then along came Donald Trump and business got even better.

For years, the Luxembourg-based producer has been decrying unfair trade conditions in its key markets of Europe and the U.S. Now, U.S. tariffs have slammed the door shut on cheap steel imports, leading to the highest prices in years. That’s built on an already tightening market as China closes surplus plants and demand booms across the globe.

The impact on ArcelorMittal, which has struggled for years in a pressurized industry, are clear to see. The company reported its highest quarterly profit in seven years on Wednesday and said it expects global demand to grow faster than previously expected, both overall and in its most important markets.

“We have a strong U.S exposure, clearly we are a net beneficiary of the trade actions,” said Chief Financial Officer Aditya Mittal. “It’s great to see the two things come together, the improvements we have made as a company as well as the improvements in the market.”

Trump made protecting the domestic steel industry one of his cornerstone election promises after the country’s producers were bruised by cheap imports, predominantly from China, which produces more of the metal than it needs. Earlier this year, using a Cold War-era law, his administration added a 25 percent tariff to steel imports.


ArcelorMittal increased its forecasts for steel demand, saying it expects global consumption to rise as much as 3 percent in 2018, up from an earlier forecast of as much as 2.5 percent. It also upgraded its outlook for China.

That strong demand, along with Trump’s tariffs, has driven up prices. ArcelorMittal reported big increases in its average selling price in both North America and Europe, and also shipped 1.8 percent more steel in the quarter.

The good macro news is being turned into profits. ArcelorMittal’s second-quarter earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization was $3.07 billion, up from $2.11 billion a year earlier, beating analyst expectations.

While there remains the risk that key customers such as automakers and appliance makers will be harmed by escalating trade tensions, the benefits from the tariffs outweigh those concerns for now.

“We don’t believe tariffs are impacting the level of trade that takes global GDP to negative territory,” said Aditya Mittal. “Clearly this is a risk, but perhaps we just need to appreciate a bit more the improvements that have occurred and the size of this risk.”

ArcelorMittal is also looking to grow. The European Union has approved its 1.8 billion euro ($2.1 billion) bid for Italy’s Ilva SpA, Europe’s biggest steel plant, and expects to complete the deal September. The company is also trying to buy Essar Steel India Ltd. in India.

Still, the company is dealing with significant debt. Borrowings fell to $10.5 billion by the end of the first half, well short of its $6 billion goal. The company has said that it needs to reach debt targets before increasing dividends.

Christian Georges, an analyst at Societe Generale SA, said the company could almost achieve the target by the end of the year, which would leading to a re-rating of the shares.

“The outlook for the second half of the year is encouraging as we anticipate current favorable market conditions continuing,” he said.

Not sure how many read and paid attention to this but Arcelor is NOT an American steel company. They're based in Luxembourg and were created when a Spanish and French steel company merged with Arbed. Arcelor owns Dofasco in Canada. This article is dated August 1st so only a month after Steel tariffs were introduced. They've benefitted strictly because Chinese steel prices have been forced higher due to tariffs. Since Aug 1, Trump gave exemptions to South Korea, Brazil, and Argentina steel - making steel from these countries exempt from Tariffs. Arcelor has one flat steel factory in Brazil, nothing in Argentina, and only a commercial sales office in South Korea. In other words, Trump gave exemptions (because his tariffs were hurting US Manufacturers) but only for companies with production in South Korea, Brazil, or Argentina. It actually hurts US Steel companies (because all of a sudden SK, Brazil, and Argentina can undersell them) and negates the effects of steel and aluminum tariffs on eg: Canada. It just gives an advantage and a quick way to gain market share (already at 25%) to three countries that have not been nearly as close the US as Canada. Once again - Trump is favouring South Korea, Brazil and Argentina over their longest and most loyal ally: Canada. It's ludicrous.

Trump's tariff stances will be looked back upon as the workings of a madman. They are NOT sustainable strictly because they hurt US consumers of every product that has a tariff. They hurt producers. The end result is Lose/Lose and the longer term ramifications are the World (ex USA) will have to morph their trade strategies to rely less upon the US and more between the rest of the world. This is another negative.
 

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These giant retailers are expected to be hit hardest:

Tariffs Will Hurt: Target, Walmart, and Others Voice Concerns

Target (TGT) and Walmart (WMT) have expressed concerns regarding the escalating trade war between the United States and China. Both Target and Walmart have emphasized the fact that expanded tariffs will eventually hurt American families, as they will force these retailers to increase their prices.

Several other retailers, including Costco (COST), Dollar Tree (DLTR), Macy’s (M), and Kohl’s (KSS), have also voiced their concerns about the higher tariffs imposed on Chinese goods.


https://marketrealist.com/2018/09/tariffs-will-hurt-target-walmart-and-others-voice-concerns
 

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It costs about a billion dollars just to change over an existing facility to a new platform - that's a rule of thumb for any manufacturer. Moving facilities and reconstructing, completely changing all the supply chains (and related contracts, etc) will be multiples of that. Remember, factories no longer carry much inventory of parts - NAFTA has allowed parts to be delivered from wherever they can be manufactured for the cheapest and delivered on time. It's took decades to set up and the industry has relied upon this way of manufacturing. Trump does not understand this basic fact because he revels in his own ignorance and the ignorance of his followers.

This will not end well for Canada - but it will also be a disaster for the US. And Trump (who thinks he's negotiating a bankruptcy where stiffing the other side is the goal) is willingly and idiotically driving off that cliff.
It will be a disaster, but
a) the auto industry will react to tariffs. they will have too.
b) the USA can play the subsidy game much longer than Canada can &
c) once any production is shifted south of the boarder, it ain't coming back

Whole platform changes for a Billion $ ???
Think about an alternator made in mississauga sold to GM for $100 US. Post tariffs it cost GM $120.
A company in St Louis who happens to make alternators for a different model would be happy to supply those Canadian alternators for $105 US.
it will retool provided it gets a long term commitment for the business from GM
Then apply that scenario to thousands of parts in an auto
 

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It will be a disaster, but
a) the auto industry will react to tariffs. they will have too.
b) the USA can play the subsidy game much longer than Canada can &
c) once any production is shifted south of the boarder, it ain't coming back

Whole platform changes for a Billion $ ???
Think about an alternator made in mississauga sold to GM for $100 US. Post tariffs it cost GM $120.
A company in St Louis who happens to make alternators for a different model would be happy to supply those Canadian alternators for $105 US.
it will retool provided it gets a long term commitment for the business from GM
Then apply that scenario to thousands of parts in an auto
We once had tariff walls; people made money out of high prices, Ford made cars with Canadian branding.

Then we had the Auto Pact, quickly followed with FRee Trade for North America. Tariffs came down, people made money out of low prices, Ford dropped Canadian brands.

If NAFTA dies, tariffs will go up, people will make money out of high prices, and hopefully we'll see Japanese cars with Canadian badging. The Fords were nothing we'd want again.
 

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It will be a disaster, but
a) the auto industry will react to tariffs. they will have too.
b) the USA can play the subsidy game much longer than Canada can &
c) once any production is shifted south of the boarder, it ain't coming back

Whole platform changes for a Billion $ ???
Think about an alternator made in mississauga sold to GM for $100 US. Post tariffs it cost GM $120.
A company in St Louis who happens to make alternators for a different model would be happy to supply those Canadian alternators for $105 US.
it will retool provided it gets a long term commitment for the business from GM
Then apply that scenario to thousands of parts in an auto
I think you misunderstood. I wasn’t talking about OEM suppliers (of course they will add significantly to the cost of change). I was talking about converting an existing facility to produce a different platform. It is hugely expensive which is why Global trade has pushed all manufacturers to adopt the platform method of car production (where a single platform can produce many different models based upon the same platform). This minimizes the cost of upgrading to a new model year with major investments only required when an entire platform is changed. IF NAFTA had been abandoned, then GM, Ford, etc would need to move assembly of certain models to the geography that was the most economic. That would require replacing all the production currently in Canada. They don’t have enough excess capacity or idle plants in the US to do this. So it is hugely expensive and time consuming and practically speaking: impossible given the financial resources available.
 
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