Canada giving India $80 million in business

Boober69 · Sep 25, 2018

Looks like Justin did accomplish something on his India trip...ensuring Canada is contributing to one of India's largest tech companies to the tune of $80 million.
Funny...I don't recall India doing the same in return.

Let's take in refugees we can't afford, and send work/money to a country that doesn't take in refugees to help their economy.

Infosys Public Services Monday said it has been awarded a CAD 80.3 million (about Rs 451 crore) contract by Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) to modernise and automate their procurement processes.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/ites/infosys-bags-cad-80-3-million-deal-from-public-services-and-procurement-canada/articleshow/65938455.cms

Zaibetter · Sep 25, 2018

Boober69 said:
Looks like Justin did accomplish something on his India trip...ensuring Canada is contributing to one of India's largest tech companies to the tune of $80 million.
Funny...I don't recall India doing the same in return.

Let's take in refugees we can't afford, and send work/money to a country that doesn't take in refugees to help their economy.

Infosys Public Services Monday said it has been awarded a CAD 80.3 million (about Rs 451 crore) contract by Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) to modernise and automate their procurement processes.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/ites/infosys-bags-cad-80-3-million-deal-from-public-services-and-procurement-canada/articleshow/65938455.cms

After PeeWee's fiasco in India, the day latter Macron picked up 16 billion worth of business for France.

bver_hunter · Sep 26, 2018

Infosys has won numerous deals all over the Globe. It is undercutting various other IT companies that charge a lot more. They won a $700 million deal with the Verizon. Prior to that they won $300 million deal from Microsoft. They have something to offer. Wonder what the Trumpty Dumpty got in return for all these transactions. The right wingers are really nitpicking on sweet FA!! So a Win / win situation for PSPC to get the state of art technology:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ontract-from-verizon/articleshow/65942354.cms

toguy5252 · Sep 26, 2018

Boober69 said:
Looks like Justin did accomplish something on his India trip...ensuring Canada is contributing to one of India's largest tech companies to the tune of $80 million.
Funny...I don't recall India doing the same in return.

Let's take in refugees we can't afford, and send work/money to a country that doesn't take in refugees to help their economy.

Infosys Public Services Monday said it has been awarded a CAD 80.3 million (about Rs 451 crore) contract by Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) to modernise and automate their procurement processes.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/ites/infosys-bags-cad-80-3-million-deal-from-public-services-and-procurement-canada/articleshow/65938455.cms

So let me understand. You are opposed to government procurement which gets a superior product at a better price?

onthebottom · Sep 26, 2018

No Canadians could do this consulting?

bver_hunter · Sep 26, 2018

onthebottom said:
No Canadians could do this consulting?

You are not living in today's modern reality. Look at the number of banks, multinational corporations, telecom businesses etc. that have contracted out their IT Departments. Why did Microsoft, and other electronic giants also do so. Surely, they must have looked all over the uSA and Canada to see if they could match it. It is just not a "consulting" contract as the deal involves application development & management (ADM) services and business process management (BPM) services.

Aardvark154 · Sep 26, 2018

The Silver Lining, such as it is -- at least Trudeau fils didn't send 80 million dollars in foreign aid to India!

toguy5252 · Sep 26, 2018

onthebottom said:
No Canadians could do this consulting?

I guess they could have done it like Trump and given the contract to one of his friends.

Ref · Sep 26, 2018

Is infosys able to win these contracts due to paying their workers low wages? I imagine there is not a lot of capital to invest in as the project sounds like the majority of the costs would be labor.

onthebottom · Sep 26, 2018

bver_hunter said:
You are not living in today's modern reality. Look at the number of banks, multinational corporations, telecom businesses etc. that have contracted out their IT Departments. Why did Microsoft, and other electronic giants also do so. Surely, they must have looked all over the uSA and Canada to see if they could match it. It is just not a "consulting" contract as the deal involves application development & management (ADM) services and business process management (BPM) services.

I’ve worked for 30 years in technology for Financial Services. So yes, I understand exactly what’s going on. There are plenty of consulting and development skills in Canada, they went low bid. Would be interesting to know how much of the work will be delivered by Canadians working in Canada, Indians working in Canada (down here it would be H1b) and how much Indians in India. Procurement / sourcing is very well understood, if they are doing a lot of custom work they are doing it wrong.

onthebottom · Sep 26, 2018

Ref said:
Is infosys able to win these contracts due to paying their workers low wages? I imagine there is not a lot of capital to invest in as the project sounds like the majority of the costs would be labor.

Typically it’s labor arbitrage, both importing cheaper workers and moving some of the work to India.

bver_hunter · Sep 26, 2018

onthebottom said:
I’ve worked for 30 years in technology for Financial Services. So yes, I understand exactly what’s going on. There are plenty of consulting and development skills in Canada, they went low bid. Would be interesting to know how much of the work will be delivered by Canadians working in Canada, Indians working in Canada (down here it would be H1b) and how much Indians in India. Procurement / sourcing is very well understood, if they are doing a lot of custom work they are doing it wrong.

Not sure what you mean by your last statement when you say it is "wrong". Obviously, they have certain skills that are done in a timely manner, and at much lower costs otherwise, companies like Microsoft would have terminated that contract with them if it was flawed.

onthebottom · Sep 26, 2018

bver_hunter said:
Not sure what you mean by your last statement when you say it is "wrong". Obviously, they have certain skills that are done in a timely manner, and at much lower costs otherwise, companies like Microsoft would have terminated that contract with them if it was flawed.

Procurement and sourcing (even the encumbrance accounting) is all readily available off the shelf. The wrong is if they are not adopting public sector best practice but letting a consulting firm redesign the wheel for them. That’s a cost (both initial and ongoing) trap.

Boober69 · Sep 26, 2018

bver_hunter said:
Not sure what you mean by your last statement when you say it is "wrong". Obviously, they have certain skills that are done in a timely manner, and at much lower costs otherwise, companies like Microsoft would have terminated that contract with them if it was flawed.

Ask any IT professional in North America and the consensus is that India is cheaper because they pay their people nothing. The quality is no where near that of N.A. or Europe for that matter. Using Microsoft is a bad example because 90% of the business world uses Microsoft products. If MS decides that now you need to have people in India support you it's because they are saving money while the quality of support is terrible. Who else will you call?

India basically gives their IT services away for free. Companies then lay off their local IT staff. Once their staff is gone, companies like TATA and Infosys start increasing their prices and the companies are basically held hostage because they no longer have in-house IT staff that are subject matter experts.

When the private sector outsources there's nothing that can be done about it. Why is our government putting people out of work by handing contracts to India? Because it's cheaper.

And it's cheaper because companies here pay higher taxes and also have to pay employees more.

And you think Justin is helping by outsourcing jobs while bringing in refugees that working Canadians need to pay for? On what planet does that make sense?

onthebottom · Sep 26, 2018

I wonder what the full budget is. 80m to Infosys, E&Y and SAP also involved. Full budget is well over 100m

Frankfooter · Sep 26, 2018

Boober69 said:
Ask any IT professional in North America and the consensus is that India is cheaper because they pay their people nothing.

Wait, you mean you disagree with globalism?
You think Indian's deserve higher wages?

onthebottom · Sep 26, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Wait, you mean you disagree with globalism?
You think Indian's deserve higher wages?

By all means, protect maple syrup and dairy production because those are first world industries but don’t support your consulting services industry :frusty:

lordphilip · Sep 27, 2018

Both the Liberals and Conservatives are screwing Canadians by giving jobs and public money to Indians. There's literally no reason Trudeau should be "investing" tax dollars into Indian tech companies.

essguy_ · Sep 27, 2018

Look on the bright side people: Maybe for another $100 mln they can fix that billion dollar boondoggle/shit-pile which the clueless incompetent Harper left and Trudeau was too stupid to cancel on Day 1 of becoming PM. Yes, the "Shared Services" fiasco (which includes the Phoenix Pay system).

Boober69 · Sep 27, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Wait, you mean you disagree with globalism?
You think Indian's deserve higher wages?

I disagree with our government putting our own people out of work because companies can no longer afford to do business here.
The strategy of paying people more because the cost of living here due to high taxes is so high isn’t working.
Guess what? No jobs means less taxes coming in which means less to spend on social programs.
Price yourself out of the market and that’s what happens.

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