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Ontario Municipal Affairs Minister, Gets Asked Why His Riding Has 96 Councillors

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09/21/2018 14:14 EDT

Steve Clark, Ontario Municipal Affairs Minister, Gets Asked Why His Riding Has 96 Councillors

The press conference made for some good TV.

By Mohamed Omar

The Ontario minister leading the charge to cut the size of Toronto's city council was put on the spot to explain why his riding has 96 municipal politicians and Canada's largest city will soon have 25.

Municipal Affairs Minister Steve Clark, a former Brockville, Ont. mayor who is tasked with working with local governments, spoke to reporters Thursday about the province's controversial move to slash the number of Toronto city councillors during a municipal question.

CBC's Mike Crawley asked about the number of councillors in Leeds–Grenville, the riding Clark represents. The exchange made for some ... interesting television.

Minister questioned about 96 councillors in Leeds-Grenville

Municipal Affairs Minster Steve Clark was put on the spot Thursday about the district of Leeds-Grenville in eastern Ontario having 96 councillors for some 70,000 people. Under the province's new bill, Toronto will have one councillor for 110,000 residents.

Posted by CityNews Toronto on Friday, September 21, 2018

"If you want to listen to Twitter, it's 96 [councillors]," Clark said.

"I don't want to listen to Twitter," responded Crawley. "How many municipal politicians are there in Leeds-Grenville?"

"We have, uh, 96."

"Only six?" Crawley asks.

"96, I said," Clark responds.

"96 is correct?"

"I believe so, yes."

Those politicians collectively represent about 70,000 people, according to CityNews, spread over multiple townships. In Toronto, under the new 25-councillor system, the average riding will have a population of 110,000 people, reported the Toronto Star.

The government says it wants to align the number of councillors with the number of MPPs and MPs in the city.

Province will 'listen' to municipalities on council sizes: Clark

Those 96 councillors don't get the $112,000-per-year salary of their counterparts in Toronto, of course. Some, like those in North Grenville's council, earned $18,000-honourariums in 2017, according to the North Grenville Times.

Further pressed on the matter, Clark told reporters that "a number" of municipal councils in the province had undergone governance reviews, and that some of them had "reduced" the number of their councillors.

"That's their decision. They decided that, to make their decision," Clark said, adding that Bill 5 — the original legislation to shrink Toronto's council — was introduced to "provide better local government" in the city.

Clark was later asked if the government has plans to shrink other municipal councils in the province. He said the Progressive Conservative government would would work with and "listen" to municipalities on the issue.

That led CityNews' Cynthia Mulligan to ask why the province didn't listen to Toronto, where there is strong opposition to the government's council cuts.

"We made it very clear that we wanted to have a streamlined council that was ready to work on those important decisions," Clark said.

The government's council-chopping move cleared a major hurdle Wednesday after a weeks-long legal brouhaha that included an overnight legislature session, protests, and condemnation from former prime ministers and legal experts over the province's use of the notwithstanding clause. A panel of judges at the Ontario Court of Appeal granted a stay of a previous ruling that struck down the government's plan.

Premier Doug Ford's government has argued cutting the number of councillors will save taxpayers $25 million and make the council more streamlined. The plan was never mentioned during Ontario's provincial election campaign.

Toronto's election will take place on Oct. 22.

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/09/21/steve-clark-ontario-municipal-affairs-minister-gets-asked-why-his-riding-has-96-councillors_a_23535125/?ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001
 
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bver_hunter

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Displays the crookedness of these Ontario Conn Artists led by Dumb DOFO. 96 Councillors in Leeds–Grenville boonies is a true and total waste of cash!! WOW!!
 

Anbarandy

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Conservative, lying hypocrites the lot of them, that make Trump seem honest and credible by comparison.

Truly a pathetic lot.
 

Polaris

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Conservative, lying hypocrites the lot of them, that make Trump seem honest and credible by comparison.

Truly a pathetic lot.
1. What about job performance? Does that count? Not in bureaucracy land! Show us the dysfunction where this is happening.

2. This place I do not know about, so have to ask how many aboriginal communities are included in the count if there were any?

3. Next election, just have the leftist campaign for more politicians at Toronto City Hall. I dare you. I double dare you.
 

Insidious Von

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Leeds-Grenville's Councillors will not be touched. Similarly with North Bay which has 48 Councillors, current Finance Minister Vic Fedeli was the Mayor of the town.

The Conservatives are dependent on the rural vote. In Ontario one rural vote is worth more than four urban votes. The problem Dougie faces is he has pissed of the Toronto political machine which could effect the resolute Andrew Scheer's chances of becoming Prime Minister. The Conservatives should have followed Stephen Harper's game plan, he was in town as often as he could. He attended more NHL games in Toronto than he did in Edmonton.

In other news, Mr. Methane is on The Howard Stern Show.
 

Anbarandy

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1. What about job performance? Does that count? Not in bureaucracy land! Show us the dysfunction where this is happening.

2. This place I do not know about, so have to ask how many aboriginal communities are included in the count if there were any?

3. Next election, just have the leftist campaign for more politicians at Toronto City Hall. I dare you. I double dare you.
Hypocrisy hurts doesn't it?

Imagine all the real savings,
If the Conservatives didn't lie,
Imagine all these liars,
Living a life of hypocrisy,

Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
.....


C'mon sing it gurl, ya'll feel better.
 

Frankfooter

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1. What about job performance? Does that count? Not in bureaucracy land! Show us the dysfunction where this is happening.
The Star already crunched the numbers and found that Toronto City Council was way more effective then the province and more effective then most other cities.
It was pure spite.

And now the cons are ok with their own 96 councillors and forcing Toronto down to 25 to try to attack Toronto.
 

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1. What about job performance? Does that count? Not in bureaucracy land! Show us the dysfunction where this is happening.

2. This place I do not know about, so have to ask how many aboriginal communities are included in the count if there were any?

3. Next election, just have the leftist campaign for more politicians at Toronto City Hall. I dare you. I double dare you.
Show us the dysfunction in Toronto. Doug never did — although he and his brother clearly and repeatedly created lots of it when they were on Council and petulantly stalling progress as to hold up votes that were predictably going to go against them. Not once in the campaign, or in his sham debate at Queen's Park. In Court, the Judge asked Doug's lawyers directly for examples of why this law had to be rushed and imposed instead of passed normally. For examples of "dysfunction". And "Answer came there none". Or as the Judge described it, "Crickets".

Leeds-Grenville is easy to look up in Wikipedia and Elections Ontario. I lies south of Ottawa and runs down to the St. Lawrence. Do your own homework.

Campaigning merely to increase a number is a dead-stupid as imagining simply reducing a number will improve anything. Nothing else works that way.

If his plan made any actual sense Doug would be halving the MPPs, the entire swivel service, and every single council in the province in a single Improved Government For Ontario Bill. And his sainted place in the history books would be assured.

But he — and his supporters — can't even defend with any facts or examples, the piddling stupidity he did bring forth and muscle up our bums. Because we laughed at his Ferris Wheel and found out about the Crack.
 

JohnLarue

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The Star already crunched the numbers and found that Toronto City Council was way more effective then the province and more effective then most other cities.
It was pure spite.

And now the cons are ok with their own 96 councillors and forcing Toronto down to 25 to try to attack Toronto.
Lets see
You say the conservatives are to blame for 96 councillors in Brockville?
They have been in power for 2 months & I do not recall them increasing the size of brockville's city council.
So exactly how is this the waste in Brockville their fault?

However now that Toronto has been neutered, reducing Brockville city council will be easier
Where ever there is liberal waste
 

Frankfooter

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Lets see
You say the conservatives are to blame for 96 councillors in Brockville?
The question is why did they attack Toronto for having 47 councillors to represent millions while backing 96 councillors representing 110,000 people?
Why is that not just an attack on Toronto?
 

Polaris

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Hypocrisy hurts doesn't it?

Imagine all the real savings,
If the Conservatives didn't lie,
Imagine all these liars,
Living a life of hypocrisy,

Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
.....


C'mon sing it gurl, ya'll feel better.
What a complete joke!

You do not even know the difference between a rural community and a urban center!

Different rules for each.

What, if we took their rural constituents density and applied it to Toronto, that would probably mean over 10000 councilors at City Hall.

At least. ROTFLFAO!!!

Although you would feel better at that. Just run the next election on that platform, more politicians.
 

Polaris

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Show us the dysfunction in Toronto.
1. No subways. More streetcars. Bicycle lanes that has 1 bicycle for every 100 cars (if there happens to be one at the moment). Perhaps dysfunction is wrong word for Toronto City Hall and stupidity is more like it.

2. Increases in taxes for no discernible effects other than making city life even worst. The drug injection site at Ryerson University. I walked by it once. It was kind of bad. Another time I walked by, it was like the East Side in Vancouver, it was really bad. Later I realized, I don't like walking by, now imagine the people honest citizens minding their business paying taxes, and they have live with that. What, is that fair to them? Their house is their investment, their life investment. Who wants to move next to a drug infested area. How is this fair? That is Toronto City Hall. Lets see if they have the guts to change that, move those drug injection sites in hospitals.

3. When Doug Ford passed legislation to cut city council in half, they went berzek and tried everything that can to stop, putting forth all their efforts to do so. If you cannot tell that they are just merely self-serving politicians, then you are flat out denying reality. Why do we need this? We don't.
 

Frankfooter

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1. No subways. More streetcars. Bicycle lanes that has 1 bicycle for every 100 cars (if there happens to be one at the moment). Perhaps dysfunction is wrong word for Toronto City Hall and stupidity is more like it.

2. Increases in taxes for no discernible effects other than making city life even worst. The drug injection site at Ryerson University. I walked by it once. It was kind of bad. Another time I walked by, it was like the East Side in Vancouver, it was really bad. Later I realized, I don't like walking by, now imagine the people honest citizens minding their business paying taxes, and they have live with that. What, is that fair to them? Their house is their investment, their life investment. Who wants to move next to a drug infested area. How is this fair? That is Toronto City Hall. Lets see if they have the guts to change that, move those drug injection sites in hospitals.

3. When Doug Ford passed legislation to cut city council in half, they went berzek and tried everything that can to stop, putting forth all their efforts to do so. If you cannot tell that they are just merely self-serving politicians, then you are flat out denying reality. Why do we need this? We don't.
Totally random and wacko post, polaris.
 

JohnLarue

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The question is why did they attack Toronto for having 47 councillors to represent millions while backing 96 councillors representing 110,000 people?
Why is that not just an attack on Toronto?
You misrepresent the truth again
Why do insist on doing that ?

they did not back "96 councillors representing 100,000 people"
this was the status quo in that region and they were elected 3 months ago, so "96 councillors representing 100,000 people" was neither their doing nor is it their policy.
Once the new Toronto representation is established, other municipalities can be realigned. If they choose to go that route
 

Frankfooter

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You misrepresent the truth again
Why do insist on doing that ?

they did not back "96 councillors representing 100,000 people"
this was the status quo in that region and they were elected 3 months ago, so "96 councillors representing 100,000 people" was neither their doing nor is it their policy.
Once the new Toronto representation is established, other municipalities can be realigned. If they choose to go that route
They are backing the higher councillors.
They inherited both systems. In Toronto they decided to attack and ram down a change against the will of the population.
Yet in buddies own riding, with far more waste and councillors they are doing nothing.

Ford is most definitely backing 96 councillors for 100,000.
 
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