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Boober69

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So the Liberals changing the accounting laws looks like it was only to hide their thievery.
Months before the election independent auditors said the books were cooked and indeed they were.
They should be in jail.


"As a result of the adjustment, an independent commission concluded the Liberals ran a $3.7 billion deficit in the last fiscal year rather than balancing the books as claimed, Fedeli said.
The commission also found the Liberals had overestimated their revenues for this fiscal year, reduced a reserve fund by $300 million and claimed $1.4 billion in cost-cutting measures that weren’t spelled out.
Once those were factored in, the projected deficit for 2018-19 rose to $15 billion from the $11.7 billion predicted by the auditor general, the government said."

https://www.680news.com/2018/09/21/fedeli-ontario-finances/
 

Promo

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Unbelievable. Actually, completely believable.

The Ontario Liberal party has a long history of cooking the books, but so do the PCs. I'd still like to know where my $2B in canceled gas plant turbines are. We paid for those, I want them.

I've often wondered, why doesn't the Auditor General release a report 6 months BEFORE an election. I'd like to see more transparency.
 

omegaphallic

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Unbelievable. Actually, completely believable.

The Ontario Liberal party has a long history of cooking the books, but so do the PCs. I'd still like to know where my $2B in canceled gas plant turbines are. We paid for those, I want them.

I've often wondered, why doesn't the Auditor General release a report 6 months BEFORE an election. I'd like to see more transparency.
Cooking the books, a Canadian tradition. It should be a hertiahe minute on Canadian TV. Honestly I couldn't give a shit, if we had the BoC taking on our debt, it wouldn't even be an issue at all.
 

Frankfooter

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Cooking the books, a Canadian tradition. It should be a hertiahe minute on Canadian TV. Honestly I couldn't give a shit, if we had the BoC taking on our debt, it wouldn't even be an issue at all.
Its the exact same thing the previous conservative government had done.
But in this case with an Auditor General who's opinion has been questioned for her entire tenure.
 

oldjones

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Unbelievable. Actually, completely believable.

The Ontario Liberal party has a long history of cooking the books, but so do the PCs. I'd still like to know where my $2B in canceled gas plant turbines are. We paid for those, I want them.

I've often wondered, why doesn't the Auditor General release a report 6 months BEFORE an election. I'd like to see more transparency.
It's why we have Auditors-General.

And an Official Opposition.

And Elections.

The more, the better.
 

Charlemagne

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Right wingers only pretend to care about the deficit so they can cut taxes for the rich. Same old story again, it won't get any better.
 

Boober69

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Its the exact same thing the previous conservative government had done.
But in this case with an Auditor General who's opinion has been questioned for her entire tenure.
Not to extent these jokers have...and they've had 15 years to rob us.
The amount of debt and deficit they have accumulated over the past 15 years is far more than any previous government.
 

oldjones

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Right wingers only pretend to care about the deficit so they can cut taxes for the rich. Same old story again, it won't get any better.
Not that cutting your revenue to deal with your shortfall has ever made sense, but the record says you're correct. When they can't keep that scam going any longer, they lose the election, and leave it to their opponents to cover the deficits they left behind. Not really anything exclusive to Left or Right; they're pols, they all do it.
 

Conil

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So the Liberals changing the accounting laws looks like it was only to hide their thievery.
Months before the election independent auditors said the books were cooked and indeed they were.
They should be in jail.


"As a result of the adjustment, an independent commission concluded the Liberals ran a $3.7 billion deficit in the last fiscal year rather than balancing the books as claimed, Fedeli said.
The commission also found the Liberals had overestimated their revenues for this fiscal year, reduced a reserve fund by $300 million and claimed $1.4 billion in cost-cutting measures that weren’t spelled out.
Once those were factored in, the projected deficit for 2018-19 rose to $15 billion from the $11.7 billion predicted by the auditor general, the government said."

https://www.680news.com/2018/09/21/fedeli-ontario-finances/
I agree there should be a law and send them to jail.
 

Charlemagne

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Not that cutting your revenue to deal with your shortfall has ever made sense, but the record says you're correct. When they can't keep that scam going any longer, they lose the election, and leave it to their opponents to cover the deficits they left behind. Not really anything exclusive to Left or Right; they're pols, they all do it.
Yet they keep falling for it. What do they say when the deficit gets worse?
 

Frankfooter

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So the Liberals changing the accounting laws looks like it was only to hide their thievery.
Nah, its just the usual games every party plays when they switch seats.
Ontario's auditor general is already questionable, her numbers and accounting aren't without question themselves.
 

JohnLarue

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Its the exact same thing the previous conservative government had done.
But in this case with an Auditor General who's opinion has been questioned for her entire tenure.
Oh boy, you are too much

The next time you get banned & have to rebrand yourself with a new TERB handle try "Muddy the Waters",
Although, associating you with such a gifted artist would be a sin
 

JohnLarue

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Nah, its just the usual games every party plays when they switch seats.
Ontario's auditor general is already questionable, her numbers and accounting aren't without question themselves.
your math skills are brutal to even remotely understand what a Provincial Auditors general's responsibilities are, let alone question her conclusions
Yet you question her competence ??

Why do you insist on Muddying the waters?
Who do you think you are fooling?
 
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LT56

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Another Conservative whining thread. Even when their side wins they can’t stop whining about the Liberals.

No vision. No plan (except $1 beer). It’s the politics of grievance and whining.

:sleep:
 

Frankfooter

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look stupid, your math skills are brutal and you lack the intelligence to even remotely understand what a Provincial Auditors general's responsibilities are, let alone question her conclusions
Yet you question her competence ??

Why do you insist on Muddying the waters?
Who do you think you are fooling?
Wake up and read the news, larue.

On Ontario finances, PCs find what everyone knew was there
By STAR EDITORIAL BOARD
Fri., Sept. 21, 2018
Quite predictably, the commission set up by Premier Doug Ford to raise concerns about the Liberal government’s accounting of Ontario’s finances has delivered exactly that. This really is one of the oldest tricks in any political playbook.

When the Liberals came to power in 2003, after eight years of Progressive Conservative rule, they uncovered a “hidden” deficit of $5.4 billion.

Now the PCs have their turn, and they’re touting a deficit $8.3 billion higher than what the Liberals claimed ($6.7 billion), to total the eye-popping number of $15 billion.

Finance Minister Vic Fedeli was quick to accuse the Liberals of being responsible for a “crippling hidden deficit,” and engineering a “cover-up.”

But in reality there is very little in the financial report released Friday that wasn’t already publicly known.

The biggest piece of the increased deficit number has to do with how the province records pension assets, and that’s never been a secret. It’s the subject of an ongoing, contentious and very public disagreement among accountants on what constitutes the best practice.

Ontario Auditor General Bonnie Lysyk decided two years ago that pension assets should be counted in a new way, adding billions to the deficit, instead of how it’s been done in Ontario since 2002. A panel of independent experts appointed by the Liberals said Lysyk was wrong, and now the commission appointed by Ford has said the government should adopt her view on “a provisional basis” until an agreement can be reached.

The other elements of Liberal “deception” that Fedeli pointed to include accounting for borrowed money to reduce electricity bills on the books of the Crown-owned Ontario Power Generation; $1.4 billion in efficiencies not yet realized; and a reduction to the reserve fund, which was publicly itemized in the Liberal budget.

As interim Liberal Leader John Fraser put it, Fedeli “was pretending that he didn’t know something that he already knew.”

Indeed, there has been plenty of debate, and no doubt there’s room for more, around these various accounting practices. But no matter how many adjectives Fedeli pulls out to describe the commission’s report, it does not amount to the financial malfeasance that the PCs suggest the Liberal government was guilty of while in office.

Ford promised voters an audit to uncover spending that was so “reckless and inappropriate” that he suggested a few Liberals might head to jail for it. There’s nothing here that justifies Ford’s election rhetoric, or what is undoubtedly yet to come.

For this was always a political exercise far more than a financial one. And what’s really concerning is that the commission’s report is just the opening act. The real show starts when Ford moves on his election promise to cut $6 billion out of the budget.

And, right on cue, Fedeli said this: “The hole is deep and it will require everyone to make sacrifices without exception.”

Who and what will be sacrificed in Ford’s Ontario is something many Ontarians are deeply concerned about.

To recap, the PCs’ overarching election promise was to find $6 billion in “efficiencies” without cutting programs or jobs, while reducing taxes and hydro bills, increasing spending on a variety of files and balancing the books.

But when it comes to the details of how any of that will supposedly happen Ontarians aren’t much farther ahead than they were during the election, when these were just campaign slogans. Although the government did manage to find $150 million toward that total on the backs of the poorest among us by cutting a planned 3-per-cent welfare increase in half.

Where will $6 billion in government spending reductions come from? When will the promised income tax cuts come? When will the budget be balanced?

Ford and his finance minister still won’t say.

What we do know is that the PCs are banking on the fact that a suddenly ballooning deficit sounds like the Liberals did something terribly wrong and that they’ll use that as cover when they try to turn their impossible election math into a real provincial budget.
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/edi...es-pcs-find-what-everyone-knew-was-there.html

Lysyk's work itself is suspect and largely the reason for the discrepancies as she changes Ontario's accounting methods for her own whim.
 

Orion1027

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Nah, its just the usual games every party plays when they switch seats.
Ontario's auditor general is already questionable, her numbers and accounting aren't without question themselves.
That’s rich!! Now it’s the AG who’s methods are questionable after 15 years liberal larceny and 2 AGs saying the same thing? When will you liberal apologist stop drinking the Kool aid and face fact, your team sucks!!
 

oldjones

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Yet they keep falling for it. What do they say when the deficit gets worse?
They say they did their best, lose the next election and wait in Opposition, name-calling and finger pointing while the other Party tries to repair the damage.

Ford promised lower taxes, more spending and $6 billion in efficiency-savings to pay for it. Unless he revises those promises in the light of what he claims he's only just found out, he's put himself on the hook to do something like $21 billion dollars better than the Liberals, operating with the same or even less revenue.

Even if we give him a full four years to bring it off who in their right mind, working with an adult brain actually believes such over-fermented crap?

PS: He also promised he'd do all this magic without Hudak-style firings or Harris-style service cuts and downloadings.
 
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